IS HE GUILTY?

rob faux Wrote:

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> JAMES BLOND Wrote:
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> > FOUND ON MY FB JUST NOW
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> > This is not something we want to hear but
> > something you need to know! Safety like locking
> > doors and not leaving big windows open and
> having
> > your dogs (no matter how big they are) sleep
> > INSIDE your house to surprise these scum, is a
> > must. Sorry if it offend the sensitive ones
> > amongst us.....
> > URGENT CALL FOR RESOURCES : During the course
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> > last night, 4 b/m 2 of whom were armed broke
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> > entered a home inside a security complex in
> > Northmead, Benoni. They tied the family and
> > proceeded to repeatedly gang rape the wife in
> > front of her husband and children. They robbed
> > them of mobile fones and other items and left.
> I
> > cannot begin to tell u the anger that I feel as
> > I'm certain u do too. With this in mind, I call
> > upon u to come forward and offer ur assistance
> in
> > whichever way to catch these bastards!!!
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> > I REST MY CASE
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> But shooting your girlfriend is OK ??????-James, I
> notice over many posts,that you seem to make some
> very interesting distinctions when it comes to
> morality and justice!

I did not say itis OK to shoot I merely tried to make a point that people have something to fear even if you live in a security compleex you are not save
Me and my family was robbed thank God we were asleep when it happened, the investigation officer pointed out that if we were awaken they would have surely attack us
At night when I go to sleep I now lock my bedroom door were before I did not do it
so the point I am trying to make is we don't know yet if he might be telling the truth, most of the persons on this forum has already ccondemn the man without him having to tell his side of the story which might be reasonably true
But in this county you are guilty till prove innocent
it goes as far that in some cases, as pointed out in an earlier post there are vigilantes that are judge jury and executioner, would we rather just hand him over for mob justice? where is the justice and morality in that?

Haupie Wrote:

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> > > Will catch up on the replays tonite, but if
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> > I
> > > read is true and they are trying to prove he
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> > > insecure and generally a bangbroek, then
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> > > does the macho man come from who shoots in a
> > car
> > > and in a restaurant? Or even at the shooting
> > > range? Or even loads his personal weapon with
> > soft
> > > nosed bullets? Just because he is afraid?
> Never
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> > Hi Haupie I have a lot of respect for you and
> your
> > opinions, BEST is you listen what is asked and
> > replied because it is not what you are
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> > here
> > I think he is telling and a lot of of the
> public
> > experience crime and how it affects you
> > for interest sake did you watch Carte Blanche
> last
> > night were innocent people are being necklazed
> > and burned/ kick/ stoned to death by vigilantes
> > that are prosecutor, judge and executioners
> > now imagine you live there will you not be in
> > constant fear that something like that can
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> > to you or a family member, son or daughter
> > so I think BR is trying to show that he had a
> > genuine fear of being a victim of crime as
> > thousands of other South Africans have and that
> > don't make them bangbroeke.
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> James, I beg you to read my opening line again.
> Have not followed court today, so I have just
> commented on what I saw on this thread. Will catch
> up later and let you know what I think. Had I said
> this after seeing and hearing evidence, you could
> attack me, but had you read what I said, I think
> you would not have been so quick on the draw
> (excuse the use of this phrase)

I have to much respect for you to attack you, just pointed out as a law man you would not draw conclusions before you heard his testimony, but still you said "based on what you heard on the forum" which is persons own versions and opinions, , you claimed he was a bangbroek etc.
I am looking forward to your opinion once you listened to his testimony so far.
hope you see my writings in a positive light not as an attack

blueyonder001 Wrote:

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> well James I am entitled to my opinion and he to
> me does not seem genuinely remorseful as its taken
> him like over a year to even apologise to the
> family anyway that's his problem. I just cant
> stand the fact that he goes on and on about loving
> God etc when he is in the dock for murder and he
> cant tell the whole truth. How can he profess to
> know God and then stick to the story of an
> imaginery intruder who is he kidding. Hence my
> opinion which I am entitled to as I said before.


how can you say he is not telling the truth? he has not given any evidence to what happened
so people who do murder can't experience God's forgiveness and love
that is only for people who live a clean life with out sin?
but I guess in your mind you already decided he is guilty?
you the judge, jury and executioner?

I just want to clarify my position on this case
I am not for OP or against him
All I say and I am sure out there there are persons who will share my opinion is
let the judicial system run it's course give him a chance to make his case and let the judge decide whether he is guilty
I like the fact we can share our opinions on this forum
but sometimes their are persons who do not share opinion
but merely want to slate OP and already decided that he is guilty which in my opinion is wrong
what we all new is he did shot

JAMES BLOND Wrote:

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> I just want to clarify my position on this case
> I am not for OP or against him
> All I say and I am sure out there there are
> persons who will share my opinion is
> let the judicial system run it's course give him a
> chance to make his case and let the judge decide
> whether he is guilty
> I like the fact we can share our opinions on this
> forum
> but sometimes their are persons who do not share
> opinion
> but merely want to slate OP and already decided
> that he is guilty which in my opinion is wrong
> what we all new is he did shots


Very noble.......except WHO was it who started a thread called IS HE GUILTY for opinions to be passed as the trial progressed.......:S

rob faux Wrote:

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> > I just want to clarify my position on this case
> > I am not for OP or against him
> > All I say and I am sure out there there are
> > persons who will share my opinion is
> > let the judicial system run it's course give him
> a
> > chance to make his case and let the judge
> decide
> > whether he is guilty
> > I like the fact we can share our opinions on
> this
> > forum
> > but sometimes their are persons who do not
> share
> > opinion
> > but merely want to slate OP and already decided
> > that he is guilty which in my opinion is wrong
> > what we all new is he did shots
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> Very noble.......except WHO was it who started a
> thread called IS HE GUILTY for opinions to be
> passed as the trial progressed.......:S

Please note opinions not slating OP
opinions based on facts, not speculations
opinions on how you see the trail and inexpert evidence

RF I do not have a fight with you but there are people who make statements with no substance
like in one of the threads a person said he is lying
but the man has not given evidence about what happened now tel me on what do this person base his opinion?

JAMES BLOND Wrote:

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> > > I just want to clarify my position on this
> case
> > > I am not for OP or against him
> > > All I say and I am sure out there there are
> > > persons who will share my opinion is
> > > let the judicial system run it's course give
> him
> > a
> > > chance to make his case and let the judge
> > decide
> > > whether he is guilty
> > > I like the fact we can share our opinions on
> > this
> > > forum
> > > but sometimes their are persons who do not
> > share
> > > opinion
> > > but merely want to slate OP and already
> decided
> > > that he is guilty which in my opinion is
> wrong
> > > what we all new is he did shots
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> > Very noble.......except WHO was it who started
> a
> > thread called IS HE GUILTY for opinions to be
> > passed as the trial progressed.......:S
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> Please note opinions not slating OP
> opinions based on facts, not speculations
> opinions on how you see the trail and inexpert
> evidence
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> RF I do not have a fight with you but there are
> people who make statements with no substance
> like in one of the threads a person said he is
> lying
> but the man has not given evidence about what
> happened now tel me on what do this person base
> his opinion?

James what do you make of the fact that he first said(as per Roux when cross examining Capt Mangena) "double tap" and now its 'rapid fire"? That to me is already a lie. Also the fact that Oscar has painted a picture of being this caring loving person YET he cheats on his girlfriend, threatened to break Mark Batchelor's legs, has been involved in at least one other assault charge, shot randomly in the air, managed to scare Reeva with his outbursts, goes to a party and is attacked by someone for no reason, gets his friend to lie for him when he is careless with a gun etc - Is that not lying? Has not apologized once before to the Steenkamps and now a year later decides to do so?

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> > > > I just want to clarify my position on this
> > case
> > > > I am not for OP or against him
> > > > All I say and I am sure out there there are
> > > > persons who will share my opinion is
> > > > let the judicial system run it's course
> give
> > him
> > > a
> > > > chance to make his case and let the judge
> > > decide
> > > > whether he is guilty
> > > > I like the fact we can share our opinions
> on
> > > this
> > > > forum
> > > > but sometimes their are persons who do not
> > > share
> > > > opinion
> > > > but merely want to slate OP and already
> > decided
> > > > that he is guilty which in my opinion is
> > wrong
> > > > what we all new is he did shots
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> > > Very noble.......except WHO was it who
> started
> > a
> > > thread called IS HE GUILTY for opinions to be
> > > passed as the trial progressed.......:S
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> > Please note opinions not slating OP
> > opinions based on facts, not speculations
> > opinions on how you see the trail and inexpert
> > evidence
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> > RF I do not have a fight with you but there are
> > people who make statements with no substance
> > like in one of the threads a person said he is
> > lying
> > but the man has not given evidence about what
> > happened now tel me on what do this person base
> > his opinion?
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> James what do you make of the fact that he first
> said(as per Roux when cross examining Capt
> Mangena) "double tap" and now its 'rapid fire"?
> That to me is already a lie. Also the fact that
> Oscar has painted a picture of being this caring
> loving person YET he cheats on his girlfriend,
> threatened to break Mark Batchelor's legs, has
> been involved in at least one other assault
> charge, shot randomly in the air, managed to scare
> Reeva with his outbursts, goes to a party and is
> attacked by someone for no reason, gets his friend
> to lie for him when he is careless with a gun etc
> - Is that not lying? Has not apologized once
> before to the Steenkamps and now a year later
> decides to do so?

ALL valid points so that makes him automatically guilty? BUT it does not mean his version is reasonably true, but the judge will determine if it is or not
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What will make him guilty is the fact that so many witnesses have said they heard a woman screaming and his own expert conceded that the first shot was in the hip and thus she was able to scream - Can all those other people with no interest in lying be wrong? I wait to hear his version and how they try to explain no screams and the locked toilet door

james...it seems you have your versions...judging by your posts..now lets take the case aside,and be practical.By practical,i mean ,we all have family,we all have been awaken during the night due to some disturbance or sound,most of us sleep with our partners next to us in the same bed....what would any reasonable man do,..when he wakes up...you answer that...its human nature to look first at the person close to us...you try it...instinctively your head turns to the person closest to you....even if you dont speak..because with any noise...you first check if anything closest to you in the room is still intact,before you go look for the source of the noise....thats human nature,to do that...no matter how gungho or scared you are,no matter how youve been brought up....its instinct to do what i just explained...but having said all that..on channell 199 yesterday i heard something ,that i thought was very pertinent.They had a double amputee speaking...and he said their greatest fear was how do they get away quickly in times of adversity...like the example he gave was if there was a fire,its always at the back of your mind to as how quickly you can get your prosthesis on and flee...so thinking along those lines...maybe,just maybe..u fend for yourself first and foremost before even your loved ones.....just a thought......but i still find it far fetched to believe that any reasonable person disabled/not,do what he did,in the knowledge that there was at least a loved one not even just in the house,but actually in the same bed...

imvho

Far too much theatrics and red herrings, just get on with the reason for the trial.

I'll watch a little today...Barry "I put it to you" Roux will ask candy-coated questions to portay OP as "virtuous" and remorseful so will wait for cross-examination by Gerry Nel to see if any truth emerges...always find it interesting that people seek the guidance of a higher power when they in trouble but do not seek such guidance for their actions BEFORE it gets them in trouble...if they had sought guidance first then they would be on a righteous path and no trouble...