FINAL FIELD DURBAN JULY

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> > CA was the only horse handy that stayed
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> > the others that were handy faded and top 3 came
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> Let's be honest, in the Derby, the KRA Guineas and
> the Daily News 2000, CA was given every chance at
> winning those races. I have two theories as to why
> he won't win the July, maybe he doesn't stay the
> 2000m, and i'm not convinced he is suited to
> Greyville, especially judging on he's last two
> runs. In the Guineas, Legislate dropped him like a
> hot potatoe, he failed to quicken, and in the DN
> 2000, he was relatively handy and again failed to
> quicken. You be the judge.

Bayern, with 54kg up and a better better draw than Legislate don't you think he will turn around the 1.5l beating? finishing 1.5 lengths behind the winner in gr1 over 2000m to me suggests he stays. and there's that jockey change factor which can add another length. and then there's the 10/1 to make the investment worth the risk. Legislate is a decent horse bt imo he's no value bet in this race.

Does anyone give JET BELLE 54.5 103 A M Yeni Glen Kotzen a chance, or is it a longshot like my name;)

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> Does anyone give JET BELLE 54.5 103 A M Yeni Glen
> Kotzen a chance, or is it a longshot like my
> name;)


longshot that's a longroughie imo....

legislate.....hasnt put a hoof wrong!!!

Like jet belle a lot,if u watch the rising sun it was given a easy ride into 5th place

Talking about class . . the more I look at last years Daily News.. Wylie Hall 0.25 running on behind Vercingetorix over 2000.
What price Vercingetorix here? Half a kg less here - proven stayer with class and can run Greyville. Well drawn.

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> Talking about class . . the more I look at last
> years Daily News.. Wylie Hall 0.25 running on
> behind Vercingetorix over 2000.
> What price Vercingetorix here? Half a kg less
> here - proven stayer with class and can run
> Greyville. Well drawn.


Vercingetorix was only having his 3rd run and has come on lengths since then.

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> > Talking about class . . the more I look at last
> > years Daily News.. Wylie Hall 0.25 running on
> > behind Vercingetorix over 2000.
> > What price Vercingetorix here? Half a kg less
> > here - proven stayer with class and can run
> > Greyville. Well drawn.
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> Vercingetorix was only having his 3rd run and has
> come on lengths since then.

Fair enough -but also I think Wylie Hall given a much more sympathetic season this year - that was hard last year with Derby etc.

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> > > CA was the only horse handy that stayed
> > on...all
> > > the others that were handy faded and top 3
> came
> > > from the back...
> >
> > Let's be honest, in the Derby, the KRA Guineas
> and
> > the Daily News 2000, CA was given every chance
> at
> > winning those races. I have two theories as to
> why
> > he won't win the July, maybe he doesn't stay
> the
> > 2000m, and i'm not convinced he is suited to
> > Greyville, especially judging on he's last two
> > runs. In the Guineas, Legislate dropped him like
> a
> > hot potatoe, he failed to quicken, and in the
> DN
> > 2000, he was relatively handy and again failed
> to
> > quicken. You be the judge.
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> Bayern, with 54kg up and a better better draw than
> Legislate don't you think he will turn around the
> 1.5l beating? finishing 1.5 lengths behind the
> winner in gr1 over 2000m to me suggests he stays.
> and there's that jockey change factor which can
> add another length. and then there's the 10/1 to
> make the investment worth the risk. Legislate is a
> decent horse bt imo he's no value bet in this
> race.

Ken, on paper yes, he can overturn the 1.5 length beating, but as we all know horses don't run on paper. It's a moot point as to whether he stays the 2000m, let alone the 2200m. Whilst he might have stayed on in the DN 2000, doesn't necessarily mean he sees out the distance. Try and watch the race again, what I'd prefer to have seen if I was to back CA, was hopefully the horse running on at the finish when others were stopping, that come on look. Whilst you are of the opinion that he stayed on the best amongst the front runners, I say again, see that in relation to the three that finished ahead of him, were they stopping or going away from him? I agree he is better value than Legislate, I don't fancy neither, but it's your money and you must take a decision, don't let me put you off, if CA is the one you fancy then back it, go with your gut feeling.

In my opinion Futura is a bit overated!! One Cool Dude beaten it and if One Cool Dude was in the July line up 100/1 aprox. Louis the King, Legislate and my ruffy for the race " King of Pain" must be watched.

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> > > > CA was the only horse handy that stayed
> > > on...all
> > > > the others that were handy faded and top 3
> > came
> > > > from the back...
> > >
> > > Let's be honest, in the Derby, the KRA
> Guineas
> > and
> > > the Daily News 2000, CA was given every
> chance
> > at
> > > winning those races. I have two theories as
> to
> > why
> > > he won't win the July, maybe he doesn't stay
> > the
> > > 2000m, and i'm not convinced he is suited to
> > > Greyville, especially judging on he's last
> two
> > > runs. In the Guineas, Legislate dropped him
> like
> > a
> > > hot potatoe, he failed to quicken, and in the
> > DN
> > > 2000, he was relatively handy and again
> failed
> > to
> > > quicken. You be the judge.
> >
> > Bayern, with 54kg up and a better better draw
> than
> > Legislate don't you think he will turn around
> the
> > 1.5l beating? finishing 1.5 lengths behind the
> > winner in gr1 over 2000m to me suggests he
> stays.
> > and there's that jockey change factor which can
> > add another length. and then there's the 10/1
> to
> > make the investment worth the risk. Legislate is
> a
> > decent horse bt imo he's no value bet in this
> > race.
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> Ken, on paper yes, he can overturn the 1.5 length
> beating, but as we all know horses don't run on
> paper. It's a moot point as to whether he stays
> the 2000m, let alone the 2200m. Whilst he might
> have stayed on in the DN 2000, doesn't necessarily
> mean he sees out the distance. Try and watch the
> race again, what I'd prefer to have seen if I was
> to back CA, was hopefully the horse running on at
> the finish when others were stopping, that come on
> look. Whilst you are of the opinion that he stayed
> on the best amongst the front runners, I say
> again, see that in relation to the three that
> finished ahead of him, were they stopping or going
> away from him? I agree he is better value than
> Legislate, I don't fancy neither, but it's your
> money and you must take a decision, don't let me
> put you off, if CA is the one you fancy then back
> it, go with your gut feeling.

its easy for a horse to have a flying finish when it was actually loafing around at the back of the field throughout. so the three were flying cos they were idle earlier whereas CA actually raced. I like pace setters like Variety Club and Captain America. So who do you fancy Bayern?

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> > > > > CA was the only horse handy that stayed
> > > > on...all
> > > > > the others that were handy faded and top
> 3
> > > came
> > > > > from the back...
> > > >
> > > > Let's be honest, in the Derby, the KRA
> > Guineas
> > > and
> > > > the Daily News 2000, CA was given every
> > chance
> > > at
> > > > winning those races. I have two theories as
> > to
> > > why
> > > > he won't win the July, maybe he doesn't
> stay
> > > the
> > > > 2000m, and i'm not convinced he is suited
> to
> > > > Greyville, especially judging on he's last
> > two
> > > > runs. In the Guineas, Legislate dropped him
> > like
> > > a
> > > > hot potatoe, he failed to quicken, and in
> the
> > > DN
> > > > 2000, he was relatively handy and again
> > failed
> > > to
> > > > quicken. You be the judge.
> > >
> > > Bayern, with 54kg up and a better better draw
> > than
> > > Legislate don't you think he will turn around
> > the
> > > 1.5l beating? finishing 1.5 lengths behind
> the
> > > winner in gr1 over 2000m to me suggests he
> > stays.
> > > and there's that jockey change factor which
> can
> > > add another length. and then there's the 10/1
> > to
> > > make the investment worth the risk. Legislate
> is
> > a
> > > decent horse bt imo he's no value bet in this
> > > race.
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> > Ken, on paper yes, he can overturn the 1.5
> length
> > beating, but as we all know horses don't run on
> > paper. It's a moot point as to whether he stays
> > the 2000m, let alone the 2200m. Whilst he might
> > have stayed on in the DN 2000, doesn't
> necessarily
> > mean he sees out the distance. Try and watch
> the
> > race again, what I'd prefer to have seen if I
> was
> > to back CA, was hopefully the horse running on
> at
> > the finish when others were stopping, that come
> on
> > look. Whilst you are of the opinion that he
> stayed
> > on the best amongst the front runners, I say
> > again, see that in relation to the three that
> > finished ahead of him, were they stopping or
> going
> > away from him? I agree he is better value than
> > Legislate, I don't fancy neither, but it's your
> > money and you must take a decision, don't let
> me
> > put you off, if CA is the one you fancy then
> back
> > it, go with your gut feeling.
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> its easy for a horse to have a flying finish when
> it was actually loafing around at the back of the
> field throughout. so the three were flying cos
> they were idle earlier whereas CA actually raced.
> I like pace setters like Variety Club and Capetown
> America. So who do you fancy Bayern?

Rake's Chestnut.