Hassen Adams calls it quits...

Jack Dash Wrote:

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> Clearly in principle he is correct. Why should
> the fine be different whether catching the error
> is 10min before... or after the race, the offence
> is the same in that you failed to send the correct
> the horse to race irrespective of how it happened
> or what happens afterwards.
>
> How the fine can be R1000 is utterly amazing. I
> was fined 2K for an incorrect date written in a
> passport once 10 years ago. The NHA employee lost
> their livelihood over this, and she just missed
> the original mistake made by someone else who was
> responsible. Seriously, how can R1,000 be a
> deterrent? Even 10K looks light for the possible
> consequences.


JD 100%. I don't know what the identifiers earn but approx 5-10k/pm * 12 = 60-120kpa, so why should the source of the fiasco get away with 1k or 10k.....

Mistakes can happen but personally think 1k not sufficient deterrent

Rob, then they should do the scanning before the horses are loaded......... a mistake is a mistake unless the stable scan the horses before they leave the yard.

If you take into account what has happened recently with "winners" winning maiden races the finger is pointing directly at the NHA. I am not giving my opinion on this matter as a singular event rather that the NHA needs to look at the complete system and make changes now.

I think a point that is getting overlooked here is that financially Hassan Adams was a huge loser here due to something that was completely out of his control, the fact that he is still fighting for his trainer's rights speaks volumes for the man (tu)

Titch Wrote:

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> I think a point that is getting overlooked here is
> that financially Hassan Adams was a huge loser
> here due to something that was completely out of
> his control, the fact that he is still fighting
> for his trainer's rights speaks volumes for the
> man (tu)

it was not out of his control Titch - He appointed Hodgson as his Agent and he appointed his stud manager also - If he appointed both of theses people then he must take it up with them - I would be very angry with MY own staff if I were him but he seems to be forgetting that and concentrating on the higher fine (R1000 is a joke) rather than cleaning up his own house first.

Titch Wrote:

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> I think a point that is getting overlooked here is
> that financially Hassan Adams was a huge loser
> here due to something that was completely out of
> his control, the fact that he is still fighting
> for his trainer's rights speaks volumes for the
> man (tu)

Thats utter crap. The trainer takes the responsibility of managing the day-to-day on behalf of the owner in terms of the rules. It is only out of his control to the extent that his agent acts on his behalf. They caused many other people to lose because they sent the wrong athlete.

Hassan Adams can cry foul that they are paying the wrong amount, but not that they must pay.

How on earth is it relevant that they lost financially??? it was their mistake, they should have been the ONLY people who lost financially!! By rights he should claim his loses from the person who was paid to get it right in the first place.

Titch Wrote:

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> I think a point that is getting overlooked here is
> that financially Hassan Adams was a huge loser
> here due to something that was completely out of
> his control, the fact that he is still fighting
> for his trainer's rights speaks volumes for the
> man (tu)


is talking about it on tellyrack when you getting interviewed after having a winner the right time and place to do it?is his comments not bringing the game into disrepute whether they are correct or not?

......when the wrong horse or no horse arrives at the racecourse....there is a standard fine.....and this does happen....but it is not announced over the loudspeaker horse scratched because trainer made a boo boo....simply missed transport or incorrect documentation....so why should Darryl Hodgson be fined more because the error was found after the race....but should have been detected by the horse identifier

Furthermore if Mr Adams statement to the author is correct in that the horse identifier tried to alter the passport to match the markings shows that not only was she guilty of not scanning the horse but tried to cover the mistake by trying to alter the passport so her dismissal was more than warranted. At the outset of this matter it plain to see that the wrong person was placed in a position that they were totally unsuited to, for this the NHRA must accept resonsability.

Checks and balances put in place to stop wrong horse running in a race completely messed up by a person not able to do the job correctly but also chose to further deceive her position by trying to alter the passport to cover the mistake.....classic....:S

Muhtiman Wrote:

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> ......when the wrong horse or no horse arrives at
> the racecourse....there is a standard fine.....and
> this does happen....but it is not announced over
> the loudspeaker horse scratched because trainer
> made a boo boo....simply missed transport or
> incorrect documentation....

do you think they would have fired the identifier if the horse ran last?

series of events much like comedy of errors!
1. wrong horse loaded with wrong passport on the float (fail#1)
2. horse not scanned at saddling enclosure (is this the only checkpoint? totally reliant on one person's qualification + integrity?)(fail#2)
3. jump gates - no checking done here then?(fail#3)
4. only the winner's sample is taken, so, technically, if the horse had finished in the middle of the pack, no one would've known any better?(fail#4)
5. publicised, creating more mistrust in the mind of the public.(not a fail, just sad)

.....the mistake would never had been found if the horse was not scanned after the race....

.....but why are we bleating when an NHRA sanctioned employee did the cheating.....

......believe me it is easy to have a cock up when you tell a groom or stable employee that horse in no 16 box is racing and must be on the 10am float and the oke sends horse from 15 box ......you at the course sees him arrive still with last nights hangover with the wrong horse....now say you are not on the course because you in CT at the sales and deligate to your head groom to get it all right....they cock up but the horse identifier catches it.....horse scratched you fined simple..... the system working until the wrong person is in a job that did not realise the consequences of not doing the job properly....simple

please don't forget the other horse which is trained by mike de kock (the imported horse from NZ).If the one must pay 10000 so must the other and this must become the norm.All lawyers bring the previous penalty when they are fighting their cases so the jockey club should punish everyone in the same way.I agree with Mr Adams there should be no favour to any participant.