IS HE GUILTY?

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> Advocate Roux today proved why he is so good with
> Fresco and and the SAPS Colonel feeling more than
> a little hot under the collar


I respectfully disagree, Mr H. Darren is an ex friend. Do we know why he is an ex and not just a friend?

He could easily be protecting OP

Haupie Wrote:

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> mr hawaii Wrote:
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> > Advocate Roux today proved why he is so good
> with
> > Fresco and and the SAPS Colonel feeling more
> than
> > a little hot under the collar
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>
> I respectfully disagree, Mr H. Darren is an ex
> friend. Do we know why he is an ex and not just a
> friend?
>
> He could easily be protecting OP

I really doubt that as Mr Fresco did not at all give the impression of someone that could have pulled it off - Having consulted with Advocate Witz I really doubt that wise man would allow him to purger Himself on the stand. If you look at Fresco's Facebook you will still see many pictures of OP and also some of Reeva so I'n my opnion he is a person that may not always recall things clearly and thus Roux was able to expose that.

It is astounding how the SAP forensics f@#$%^& this up and for the whole world to see
If it goes like this in a high profile case what about the poor person who do not have experts to defend him . how do he /she stand up against sloppy SAP forensics because if this is the norm I am convinced there are many many more such cases.
Had good chuckle this morning, on radio David Klatzkow call Hilton Botha a misfit

This Vermeulen must be one of the most incompetent "experts" a defence can ever hope to cross examine.

He has not done a full investigation and it is clear his assertions have not been tested properly by himself, his superiors and the prosecution before Roux has ripped him to shreds.

Luckily for the prosecution Oscar has admitted to actually firing the gun!!

Saksy Wrote:

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> This Vermeulen must be one of the most incompetent
> "experts" a defence can ever hope to cross
> examine.
>
> He has not done a full investigation and it is
> clear his assertions have not been tested properly
> by himself, his superiors and the prosecution
> before Roux has ripped him to shreds.
>
> Luckily for the prosecution Oscar has admitted to
> actually firing the gun!!


He should just reiterate that point and remind the court that the shots were fired first then the bat cos he can prove that. The smirk Roux gives when he thinks he got something right is becoming irritating. Why doesnt Vermeulen just say,,,,,,,why would OP hit the door from an uncomfortable position?

Here's a question..........after firing the the shots.......why would he immediately put his legs on and try and kick down the door? Then get the bat to break the door down? Is it becos he realised what he had done? Does his actions show that he knew Reeva was behind the door?? To me....A definite YES!

I will be glad when racing starts today...get me away from watching this case.

PeeKay Wrote:

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> Saksy Wrote:
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> > This Vermeulen must be one of the most
> incompetent
> > "experts" a defence can ever hope to cross
> > examine.
> >
> > He has not done a full investigation and it is
> > clear his assertions have not been tested
> properly
> > by himself, his superiors and the prosecution
> > before Roux has ripped him to shreds.
> >
> > Luckily for the prosecution Oscar has admitted
> to
> > actually firing the gun!!
>
>
> He should just reiterate that point and remind the
> court that the shots were fired first then the bat
> cos he can prove that. The smirk Roux gives when
> he thinks he got something right is becoming
> irritating. Why doesnt Vermeulen just
> say,,,,,,,why would OP hit the door from an
> uncomfortable position?
>
> Here's a question..........after firing the the
> shots.......why would he immediately put his legs
> on and try and kick down the door? Then get the
> bat to break the door down? Is it becos he
> realised what he had done? Does his actions show
> that he knew Reeva was behind the door?? To
> me....A definite YES!


On my observations above, i must say that what i was feeling was the same Nel was feeling, thats why he reiterated the points i was making above. Very smart imo.

I must say Colonel Vermeulen was really grilled there........big ups to him

You would think that a court interpreter would need to be fluent in BOTH the languages he/she is translating, and have at least an average intelligence..........................the quality is hard to believe!

its totally embarrassing

Yes, Oscar must have known who was behind the door all along but for JV to make the assertion that Oscar was on his stumps because it's not a natural position for JV (not necessarily Oscar) to swing from is beyond stupid. Anyone who has played sport would know that to gain maximum power from a swing one must have their knees flexed and body bent over somewhat. So in addition to not doing enough tests, not recalling many details and not investigating properly he gives an overall conclusion that is nonsensical.

In my opinion JV was a complete waste of time and is a bad reflection on the States case.

Saksy Wrote:

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> Yes, Oscar must have known who was behind the door
> all along but for JV to make the assertion that
> Oscar was on his stumps because it's not a natural
> position for JV (not necessarily Oscar) to swing
> from is beyond stupid. Anyone who has played sport
> would know that to gain maximum power from a swing
> one must have their knees flexed and body bent
> over somewhat. So in addition to not doing enough
> tests, not recalling many details and not
> investigating properly he gives an overall
> conclusion that is nonsensical.
>
> In my opinion JV was a complete waste of time and
> is a bad reflection on the States case.


But the images we are seeing now and the testimony we are getting now is a totally other story!

The bedroom door was already damaged! Why was there a spent cartridge inside the bathroom??? Did he fire a shot INSIDE the bathroom????? This is getting hectic and painting a whole new picture for me

PeeKay Wrote:

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> Saksy Wrote:
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> > Yes, Oscar must have known who was behind the
> door
> > all along but for JV to make the assertion that
> > Oscar was on his stumps because it's not a
> natural
> > position for JV (not necessarily Oscar) to
> swing
> > from is beyond stupid. Anyone who has played
> sport
> > would know that to gain maximum power from a
> swing
> > one must have their knees flexed and body bent
> > over somewhat. So in addition to not doing
> enough
> > tests, not recalling many details and not
> > investigating properly he gives an overall
> > conclusion that is nonsensical.
> >
> > In my opinion JV was a complete waste of time
> and
> > is a bad reflection on the States case.
>
>
> But the images we are seeing now and the testimony
> we are getting now is a totally other story!
>
> The bedroom door was already damaged! Why was
> there a spent cartridge inside the bathroom??? Did
> he fire a shot INSIDE the bathroom????? This is
> getting hectic and painting a whole new picture
> for me

Oops....never realised there was another door leading to the toilet........