IS HE GUILTY?

JAMES BLOND Wrote:

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> the state is adamant that she was shot @ 3.17
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> why will I shout for help before i shot some one
> Dr, Stipp said he was woken up by shots, walked
> out called 911 at 3.17 and then heard 2 or 3 bangs
> then Roux pointed out and that those bangs was in
> fact the bat breaking down the door,
>
> Roux ask him to agree that after the shots, that
> wake him up, and seeing RS as he came into the
> house, that it wasn't possible for her to scream
> after the shots, as she would have been
> unresponsive that the only person that could have
> been screaming was OP.
> Gerrie Nel jumps up and says that is the states
> case that the fatal shots was fired @ 3.17, he
> just sunk his own case and putting his own witness
> testimony in jeopardy, various witnesses has
> stated that before 3.17 they heard a man shout for
> help
>
> must say he is changing my mind, he does have a
> plan to prove that the screaming that was heard
> was AFTER the shots and it could not have been
> RS, if he succeeds with that that will rule out
> the notion that OP and RS had a fight before he
> shot her

Interesting................I see it exactly opposite to you!
Nel ,I think,is happy to let Roux bring doubt about confusing noises...............except he will later try to prove the bat noises were first !!!which fits better with a jealous rage ( ie escalation!!!!)

As I said yesterday. Roux is a brilliant strategist. He will tie it all together and Oscar will be found guilty of manslaughter and not murder and maybe before the end of the trial there will be a plea bargain.

rob faux Wrote:

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> JAMES BLOND Wrote:
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> > the state is adamant that she was shot @ 3.17
> >
> > why will I shout for help before i shot some
> one
> > Dr, Stipp said he was woken up by shots, walked
> > out called 911 at 3.17 and then heard 2 or 3
> bangs
> > then Roux pointed out and that those bangs was
> in
> > fact the bat breaking down the door,
> >
> > Roux ask him to agree that after the shots,
> that
> > wake him up, and seeing RS as he came into the
> > house, that it wasn't possible for her to
> scream
> > after the shots, as she would have been
> > unresponsive that the only person that could
> have
> > been screaming was OP.
> > Gerrie Nel jumps up and says that is the states
> > case that the fatal shots was fired @ 3.17, he
> > just sunk his own case and putting his own
> witness
> > testimony in jeopardy, various witnesses has
> > stated that before 3.17 they heard a man shout
> for
> > help
> >
> > must say he is changing my mind, he does have a
> > plan to prove that the screaming that was heard
> > was AFTER the shots and it could not have been
> > RS, if he succeeds with that that will rule out
> > the notion that OP and RS had a fight before he
> > shot her
>
> Interesting................I see it exactly
> opposite to you!
> Nel ,I think,is happy to let Roux bring doubt
> about confusing noises...............except he
> will later try to prove the bat noises were first
> !!!which fits better with a jealous rage ( ie
> escalation!!!!)

you know I had never thought of that , that might be an interesting view that NOBODY has put forward
so in fact people were woken up by the bat breaking up the door
BUT
It was said in evidence today and it was also not disputed and will be proofed by forensics that it is definite that the shots were fired and then the door was broken down so unfortunate that version can not be true

RACING GURU Wrote:

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> JAMES BLOND Wrote:
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> > the state is adamant that she was shot @ 3.17
> >
> > why will I shout for help before i shot some
> one
> > Dr, Stipp said he was woken up by shots, walked
> > out called 911 at 3.17 and then heard 2 or 3
> bangs
> > then Roux pointed out and that those bangs was
> in
> > fact the bat breaking down the door,
> >
> > Roux ask him to agree that after the shots,
> that
> > wake him up, and seeing RS as he came into the
> > house, that it wasn't possible for her to
> scream
> > after the shots, as she would have been
> > unresponsive that the only person that could
> have
> > been screaming was OP.
> > Gerrie Nel jumps up and says that is the states
> > case that the fatal shots was fired @ 3.17, he
> > just sunk his own case and putting his own
> witness
> > testimony in jeopardy, various witnesses has
> > stated that before 3.17 they heard a man shout
> for
> > help
> >
> > must say he is changing my mind, he does have a
> > plan to prove that the screaming that was heard
> > was AFTER the shots and it could not have been
> > RS, if he succeeds with that that will rule out
> > the notion that OP and RS had a fight before he
> > shot her
>
> u crazy...if u believe..that the prosecution has
> just sunk their own case...or even put their own
> witness testimoney in jeopardy....on the
> contrary...its exactly whats he wanted to hear
> that the fatal shot was at 3 17...

please do not call me crazy we only view our opinions not facts,
i disagree all the staes witnesses so far in respect to the happenings of the evening stated that they heard shots woke up and then the screaming and the bangs again, and then they made calls at 3'17 so if that is not true what was it they heard before 3'17 that sounded like shots that woke them up?l

JAMES BLOND Wrote:

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> RACING GURU Wrote:
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> > > the state is adamant that she was shot @ 3.17
> > >
> > > why will I shout for help before i shot some
> > one
> > > Dr, Stipp said he was woken up by shots,
> walked
> > > out called 911 at 3.17 and then heard 2 or 3
> > bangs
> > > then Roux pointed out and that those bangs
> was
> > in
> > > fact the bat breaking down the door,
> > >
> > > Roux ask him to agree that after the shots,
> > that
> > > wake him up, and seeing RS as he came into
> the
> > > house, that it wasn't possible for her to
> > scream
> > > after the shots, as she would have been
> > > unresponsive that the only person that could
> > have
> > > been screaming was OP.
> > > Gerrie Nel jumps up and says that is the
> states
> > > case that the fatal shots was fired @ 3.17,
> he
> > > just sunk his own case and putting his own
> > witness
> > > testimony in jeopardy, various witnesses has
> > > stated that before 3.17 they heard a man
> shout
> > for
> > > help
> > >
> > > must say he is changing my mind, he does have
> a
> > > plan to prove that the screaming that was
> heard
> > > was AFTER the shots and it could not have
> been
> > > RS, if he succeeds with that that will rule
> out
> > > the notion that OP and RS had a fight before
> he
> > > shot her
> >
> > u crazy...if u believe..that the prosecution
> has
> > just sunk their own case...or even put their
> own
> > witness testimoney in jeopardy....on the
> > contrary...its exactly whats he wanted to hear
> > that the fatal shot was at 3 17...
>
> please do not call me crazy we only view our
> opinions not facts,
> i disagree all the staes witnesses so far in
> respect to the happenings of the evening stated
> that they heard shots woke up and then the
> screaming and the bangs again, and then they made
> calls at 3'17 so if that is not true what was it
> they heard before 3'17 that sounded like shots
> that woke them up?l

Hey its just good debate and it shows how differently evidence can be viewed .........Roux says door must have been closed because of splinters..............Nel clearly has a counter to that(judging by his hints) maybe the bullets went through a broken door ,but jammed by an outstretched foot?????
Trying to anticipate is all the fun ,as long as we don't take our own speculations too seriously, especially at this early stage.
One thing is definite ..........both sides are very smart............that will show no matter who wins!

rob can u be my defensive lawyer in this....and make JB understand the CONTEXT that the word crazy was used in...lol....this is gripping stuff....u think i missed racing this week

please rob...use the same style as barry does...in that he strrrrretttccchhhes some words..that will help

Barry "I ask you for the 8th time" Roux...

TNaicker Wrote:

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> Barry "I ask you for the 8th time" Roux...

I know that if I ever did something newsworthy that got me a ticket to a potential lifetime in jail Roux would be the person I'd call if I could afford him -

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> > Barry "I ask you for the 8th time" Roux...
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> I know that if I ever did something newsworthy
> that got me a ticket to a potential lifetime in
> jail Roux would be the person I'd call if I could
> afford him -

I'll admit that he is making an attempt to justify his fee...then again, I'd also never do anything that would warrant me requiring an advocate such as himself...

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> TNaicker Wrote:
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> > Barry "I ask you for the 8th time" Roux...
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> I know that if I ever did something newsworthy
> that got me a ticket to a potential lifetime in
> jail Roux would be the person I'd call if I could
> afford him -

Absolutely ,but if Nel went private it would be a hard choice. I have no doubt they are both very good and both have got one hand behind their backs right now..........I love this kind of intrigue!

I stayed awake and watched the OJ trial and also that US case where the Au Pair was accused of killing those Doctor's kid

RACING GURU Wrote:

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> rob can u be my defensive lawyer in this....and
> make JB understand the CONTEXT that the word crazy
> was used in...lol....this is gripping stuff....u
> think i missed racing this week

understood my lady