IS HE GUILTY?

Roux somehow got Burger to say that she heard screams after the final gunshot. This is impossible as Reeva would have been dead already. As stoic as she has been Barry has managed to discredit her. He has shown her to have heard something that couldn't have happened. How can she be relied upon??!!!

Saksy Wrote:

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> Roux somehow got Burger to say that she heard
> screams after the final gunshot. This is
> impossible as Reeva would have been dead already.
> As stoic as she has been Barry has managed to
> discredit her. He has shown her to have heard
> something that couldn't have happened. How can she
> be relied upon??!!!

I disagree with you no proof has been given or evidence let yet that if she was killed on impact or was still alive after the 4th shot
I think she was a very creditable witness and stood her ground
very few people can recall exact happenings after a year but she was adamant what she heard

Agree with points by Sasky and Titch

Another thing.. even if the SOUNDS of someone clubbing a toilet door down with a cricket bat could be mistaken with the sound of gunshots, the intervals between the gunshots cannot. The witness was clear about the intervals, and this was simply too quick to be cricket bat blows with the force required to break down a door.

Screaming followed by gunshots is a problem for the defence, so it's no wonder they now have to convince everyone that Oscar also screams like a girl...

According to Oscar's defence, what Burger heard was the rescue efforts after the incident? If this is the case, it's strange though why a neighbour should be woken by cricket bat bashes that sound just like gunshots, but not by the actual gunshots that preceded this (which then should have sounded just like cricket bat bashes..).

It might be easy to pick at witnesses individual testimony, but the defence's own version already stitches rather too many improbables together to be believable as a whole, in my opinion.

FazzX Wrote:

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> Agree with points by Sasky and Titch
>
> Another thing.. even if the SOUNDS of someone
> clubbing a toilet door down with a cricket bat
> could be mistaken with the sound of gunshots, the
> intervals between the gunshots cannot. The witness
> was clear about the intervals, and this was simply
> too quick to be cricket bat blows with the force
> required to break down a door.
>
> Screaming followed by gunshots is a problem for
> the defence, so it's no wonder they now have to
> convince everyone that Oscar also screams like a
> girl...
>
> According to Oscar's defence, what Burger heard
> was the rescue efforts after the incident? If this
> is the case, it's strange though why a neighbour
> should be woken by cricket bat bashes that sound
> just like gunshots, but not by the actual gunshots
> that preceded this (which then should have sounded
> just like cricket bat bashes..).
>
> It might be easy to pick at witnesses individual
> testimony, but the defence's own version already
> stitches rather too many improbables together to
> be believable as a whole, in my opinion.

I wonder if they are going to provide evidence of this? Ridiculous idea

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> FazzX Wrote:
>

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>

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> > Agree with points by Sasky and Titch
> >
> > Another thing.. even if the SOUNDS of someone
> > clubbing a toilet door down with a cricket bat
> > could be mistaken with the sound of gunshots,
> the
> > intervals between the gunshots cannot. The
> witness
> > was clear about the intervals, and this was
> simply
> > too quick to be cricket bat blows with the
> force
> > required to break down a door.
> >
> > Screaming followed by gunshots is a problem for
> > the defence, so it's no wonder they now have to
> > convince everyone that Oscar also screams like
> a
> > girl...
> >
> > According to Oscar's defence, what Burger heard
> > was the rescue efforts after the incident? If
> this
> > is the case, it's strange though why a
> neighbour
> > should be woken by cricket bat bashes that
> sound
> > just like gunshots, but not by the actual
> gunshots
> > that preceded this (which then should have
> sounded
> > just like cricket bat bashes..).
> >
> > It might be easy to pick at witnesses
> individual
> > testimony, but the defence's own version
> already
> > stitches rather too many improbables together
> to
> > be believable as a whole, in my opinion.
>
> I wonder if they are going to provide evidence of
> this? Ridiculous idea


Swift kick to the neather regions should provide some evidence. ()

Will get interesting when the evidence for premeditated murder is presented??


Haupie is a lawyer i think, would like his opinion.

Yes JB, yes my mistake she may have been alive but after the 4th bullet that has passed through her head Roux mentioned that Reeva would not have been able to scream, which was not disputed by the prosecution. Burger mentioned she heard a scream up to 2 seconds after the last gunshot. All it takes is 1 inconsistency in a witnesses story to create doubt and I would say Roux achieved that.

I find it hard to believe Reeva would have been able to scream after the last bullet. In saying that it could have been Oscar screaming because he supposedly screams net soos n meisie!

For me I would say Burger was too firm in her view it was definitely a woman screaming. Burgers suggestion that Oscar screaming was a mockery shows that she already has a negative opinion on the man, which may have affected what she thought she heard.

Personally I believe Oscar knew he was shooting Reeva and if there were indeed screams after the last bullet it would have been Oscar screaming, not in mockery as suggested by Burger, but out of genuine remorse.

I agree, on the point of trying to remember intricate details from a long time ago, especially details when you've just woken up from a sleep! I think this is gonna be a long trial!!

I have long lived by the advice my grandfather gave me..... "when it looks like sh1t & smells like sh1t it is not ice cream"

This defense is smoke & mirrors......... you mistake a woman screaming for a man screaming but you know it was a cricket bat & not a gun-shot.....

Eish just saw a little today..all involved must be going through absolute hell..its so sad Reeva was killed , so very sad.

I'm not too worried about the testimony of Burger because the small amount of discrepancy that she showed will be nothing when Nel gets to test Oscars version bearing in mind the Reasonable man's behaviour - I think THAT testimony will be very very interesting as Nel is no fool -
One thing that does however disturb me isw that it seems quite a few of the people in this complex are extremely paranoid and do not show basic human curiosity. In any of the areas i've live in, granted never in a secure complex, noises like that saw people coming out of their homes to see what's going on not lying paralyzed in fear or trying to work out how much extra security will cost etc. I know that if there is a large bang at night in my area people generally go out to see if someone has crashed a car etc - Very strange

As strong as Burger was, her hubby sounds very weak ................ it may explain the EXACT same statements ...............I fear Roux will destroy him and if he does he indirectly destroys her testimony as well????
Unfortunately I am indisposed t'morrow and I think it may be a vital day!

Whats with the translators? Does everybody in those larnie estates
battle with english ?