Online Bookmakers

Dave Scott wrote:

I have been in favour for sometime that the tote should take ALL exotics and the Bookies should take all win and place bets.

I was told NO CHANCE of that happening.

The theory behind this is spot-on.

The reality is that the tote customers who play the open bet with bookmakers prefer to do so and every one of them started off punting with the tote. The reasons for them leaving and going to the bookies to punt on tote offerings is not hard to figure out.

The tote deserves nothing. It does nothing for local customers in terms of service, recognition, facilities offered and incentives.

Hollywood/Bortz will run SA racing within 2 years for one simple reason - they give better service. Better service to punters and better service to owners.

Good riddance to the tote. They have created the situation that they find themselves in. Amazingly all the clevers eating up Mary's handout have not introduced ONE incentive for the man on the street to support THEIR product. From the jobs for pals ( what has Fundi and Colin Gordon achieved thus far? ) to the lack of innovation ( name one successful product or change that has made a difference to attract "new" tote business? ), its a sure path that they are leading the tote to - Insolvency

......and as for Colin Gordon....I punted him strong for the RA CEO job as that would have been the ideal lounge lizard level at the time.....but he had bigger aspirations at 4Q Racing and that is their crime.....:whistle:

......look at what the Cape boys have in Justin Vermaak.....worth every cent that throw his way....a doer that gets things done and not just a talker to make an odd appearance on bigger race days from the comfort of a swanky lounge.....

Hollywood/Bortz will run SA racing within 2 years for one simple reason - they give better service. Better service to punters and better service to owners.

The tote never had me on my knees for my money, they never told me they had paid me for a week when that was not the case, a little sneaky adjustment to a journal saying it was an error, now you just don't get paid by a service provider that they use, just get a fuck off it never came in, nobody gives a shit but the ambassadors and Mr BORTZ get 5 star treatment along with his mates from ABC, getting to Dev is a blessing though, 9 times out of 10 you get sorted out at WSB lady phones you, doesn't give a shit what you want to say, gives you wrong info, wastes your time and you are not to know who just talked to you like that, never been limited, can deposit my families home and grans pension not a problem, trying to get a couple hundred out at times is impossible and have to behave like a parasite with no worries by them. They cannot return the favour, they can do us in but we can't do them in. They love our money but can't respect us 🤣🤣🤣🙈🙈

These are facilitators ONLY and must put back into the TOTE pools.
Or else open their own pools.
A Rookie cannot declare a dividend without a TOTE POOL
and we wonder why pools are shrinking. :silly:

.....all these online sites are purposely very slow to pay out.....as they know that us compulsive sicko's will play it up if we do not get it out in time.....I have not as yet cracked a big one with any of them yet.....:oops:.....but when I am having the occasional good day I convert my profits into instant airtime for all of the sims in the household and then I can at least convert the dosh into data to burn during the constant loadshedding so I can watch and punt on racing.....:S

......had I ever cracked a big win at HW I would never been able to get it out as even though I sent Dev my ID and proof of residence etc.....they still cocked up my name on the account and therefore also the FICA registration.....so they have banned a certain Mr Bob Arthur for throwing his toys when he told them that their service and f@cked online betting platform sucked.....:ohmy:

.....should I ever crack a big one I will rock up at Brazzaville with a film crew and then see how fast they can cash me out....:lol:

onyerway wrote:

Hollywood/Bortz will run SA racing within 2 years for one simple reason - they give better service. Better service to punters and better service to owners.

The tote never had me on my knees for my money, they never told me they had paid me for a week when that was not the case, a little sneaky adjustment to a journal saying it was an error, now you just don't get paid by a service provider that they use, just get a fuck off it never came in, nobody gives a shit but the ambassadors and Mr BORTZ get 5 star treatment along with his mates from ABC, getting to Dev is a blessing though, 9 times out of 10 you get sorted out at WSB lady phones you, doesn't give a shit what you want to say, gives you wrong info, wastes your time and you are not to know who just talked to you like that, never been limited, can deposit my families home and grans pension not a problem, trying to get a couple hundred out at times is impossible and have to behave like a parasite with no worries by them. They cannot return the favour, they can do us in but we can't do them in. They love our money but can't respect us 🤣🤣🤣🙈🙈

I have been punting for decades and besides a very rocky period with Black Pearl Betting where I waited months to be settled ( Thanks Hilton ) I have waited no longer than two working days to be paid by all the sites. My experiences at Hollywood are good, have never had a problem with deposits disappearing as I fund from card and its credited immediately. With regard to payouts at the same lot I can honestly not remember an incident and have always been settled amicably and within those two working days as mentioned.

I have had similar experiences with Betxchange, Ball and Turf, WSB, Lance Michael, and Sunbet. I will say that I'm not a huge punter and my deposits are always in the region of R2K - R5K and the biggest withdrawal I recall is R70K with the average being between R5K - R10K. The undisputed champions of settling however are Interbet. If I wait longer than an hour there's a problem. I would strongly recommend that you play there if this is something you are struggling with.

You mention that you have never been on your knees at the tote looking for money? I have. For a long time the tote would want to cash out my winnings with a voucher. I often had to sit around for hours waiting to get paid. It's one of the reasons I haven't had a cent go through their systems in a decade or more.

I am not a huge player and have a limited budget. I will not take even R1000 on a horse but can put the same grand on a 20/1. For a small player like me, I have been limited at nearly every online bookmaker including fixed odds and open bets. Once you limited in horses, you will be limited in sports as well.

Besides the big online bookmakers, there are also smaller independent bookies that have sites but you will get limited there as well.

Most bookies have paid me out timeously. From April 2022, I have been playing soccer pool bets regularly with 4Racing and Interbet. I have been paid out promptly by 4Racing and my emails gets replied to. Touch wood, it stays the same.

If you playing Tote bets, my advice, the best is to play on the Tote for Local racing, Hong Kong, Singapore and French swingers. Most online bookmakers have terms and conditions to suit their needs.

.....when I was still with the tote they were initially also around the 48 hr mark ....and never paid out into a bank account on the weekends.....until I complained and would get funds paid within the next day on week days only .....wins on week ends one was able to go to a flush tote branch like Rosebank when they were still around and get cash up to 5 grand and offered vouchers for the balance.....got f@cked around plenty at the Buzz a few times so went to WSB Brazzaville and their tote section paid up promptly every time....was even able to to get a couple of grand just a few minutes after 7am on a Saturday morning....:woohoo:

.......but I think that this 48 hour shit.... is a load of balls...as they take your tom in a flash and pay 2 days later even for the open bet ...money that they made without breaking a sweat.....:huh:

I started on the tote and used to phone my bets through I then found mwos which was decent however absoluttley none I have used can compare to wsb, I can withdraw on a Sunday at 3 pm by 5 pm my money is in if I wihdraw after 5 pm on any day by 08:30 next day it is in does no matter the day of week. Their customer service is amazing I only have to talk to them on watsapp and they reply within 30 mintues every single time.

I got a call from mwos late on Saturday telling me they noticed I have an account any reason I am no using I told them I am using wsb they said ok thanks bye

Two people from 4 racing actually contacted me after my rant last week and one of them was kind enough to reset my tab account as when asked why it was dormant I explained I had forgotten account numbers etc, allthough the only way to get me to the tote will be for me to get less than I am supposed to at wsb one day which is wont happen as I only play 3 p6s a year if that and only ever caught 10% of one that paid 200k 7 years ago lol

Muhtiman wrote:

......this open bet fiasco has no solution.....and it is left to the punter to decide on where and how they place their bets...and with the tote okes still with poor service and no incentives.....the bookies will continue to grow market support and the pools will continue to suffer.....I now play my infrequent P6's with my online "service" provider as I do believe that the operator does not deserve their chop of my racing contribution while they take the very large and
generous handouts and do hardly anything to improve our racing.....:huh:

Currently , i would never put 2k wins/places/swinger on the the tote because of the diluted dividend that i may receive.

However if we all think in my manner regarding the open bet exotics , then it makes no sense.
Firstly the pools will be heavily reduced and dividend will be lopsided.
even if you get 2 or 3 results in the p6 , you can only win on a reduced pool, and if we say for example that the pool was 400k for that meeting and i took it at the bookie , the most i can win is 400k, even less with some other bookies rules , where they say that they divide the pool with the amount of winning tickets that they have.(which makes no sense to me and if thats the reasoning then they should be paying of the gross pool and not the nett pool).

but if everybody played into that very same pool, that 400k pool could easily swell to 1,2 million with maybe 2 winners and the dividend be 600k ea.

Ive said it before AND I'LL say it again, that IP belongs to the tote and no one else and no other entity should be allowed to piggy bank and create a dividend with their IP.

THIS TO ME WILL RACINGS SAVIOUR , NOT HANDOUTS ,BAILOUTS OR GREG BORTZ AND COMPANY.

black pearl betting - now there's a name from the past
wos were the 1st to limit me about 13 years ago when they still did spread betting, and then the rest followed - fucking nauseating

new kids on the block betfred and boyle sports are worth having a look at - some of the best prices around on every market

bookies can apparently put anything they want into their t's and c's (who even reads them?) - how can the gambling boards allow this?

I was shown the other day that wos have in their t's and c's --"As a Marshall's World of Sport client, you may not have active betting accounts with other bookmakers."

bullshit baffles brains

......how big P lost their tote "IP" in court is absolutely baffling.....a cut and dry case for any legal eagle with an inkling of mercantile law....yet they got trounced many more times and obviously had sh!tty legal advice.....:S