Champagne Haze - Tantamount to Cheating!!

Sealegs you would be surprised who is interested and reads the posts

These conspiracy type theories make me smile. Punting and racing are not that easy. Can you tell me how many punting trainers have gone out over the years and how many have made so much money that they could retire? The trainers who have gone out will far outnumber the ones that have retired( if there are any in this category).

The hole point is not trainers that have retired or gone out, it's about sending horses to the track not ready and the punter not knowing this,like me taking my doubles with it and losing in cold blood, that it's the point.

Craig Eudey wrote: These conspiracy type theories make me smile. Punting and racing are not that easy. Can you tell me how many punting trainers have gone out over the years and how many have made so much money that they could retire? The trainers who have gone out will far outnumber the ones that have retired( if there are any in this category).

With respect Craig,ignoring the subject of this thread ,and responding only to your post,the problem is that having raced for over 40 years,and having had horses in stables, I know of quite a few planned coups.
The fact is ,as you rightly say ,most fail, but mainly because very few stables are smart enough to pull them off! (There are many reasons but most common is the inability to convert the preparation to the race)

REALITY: trying to set up a winning bet is very difficult .............................but having (or even ensuring) a loser is a piece of cake!!!!!!

Frank wrote: Khargisland it sounds to me you would like to be spoon fed on the well being of EVERY trainers horse running . They made their statement . At the end of the day its called GAMBLING. So no need for the aggressive comment. Rather not comment on something you THINK you know everything of but actually have no idea what your talking about. I love reading this forum and not one for giving comments but your personal attack on decent people is a disgrace

Regardless of what I think, it is apparent that the majority of comments are strongly in agreement with the general consensus.

As for being spoon fed, I'd rather eat broken glass than listen to the tippings of most trainers. IMO. The majority of them are just like us, battling along and making the best of it.
I have been around them long enough to KNOW, personally, having had runners and winners at virtually every track in this country & up north. It has been quite an expensive ride, but those are the choices we make.

Gambling it is, and for that reason, it allows you to weigh up the pro's and cons, & make informed decisions. If you can read a Computaform, it is all there (well most of it anyway)

I await the next thrilling installment, when another "good thing" goes missing because it is having a "Prep Run"

Dave & Bob, as far as I am concerned, my book is closed on this particular chapter, and I am done. And to everyone else who posted, thanks for the lively debate.

It is said as a disclaimer, the opinions aired by this writer in no way reflect the views and sentiments of Management.

No conspiracy theories Craig , being told a 1/3 fav is having a prep run can't happen

EVER

Bob Brogan wrote: No conspiracy theories Craig , being told a 1/3 fav is having a prep run can't happen

EVER

My point precisely!

My 2c worth.

The owners or trainer doesn't price up a horse, bookies do.

This is done on the runners class, relative ability when compared to the field and preceding form.

The unknown is always well-being, fitness and whether the runner will be a trier.

Bookies cannot take a chance on the above and will price according to the first line which is always a huge risk for punters, especially when going all in.

Greater transparency from trainers is required as a warning to players but could still result in unhappiness when the less than fully tuned athlete wins.

This is gambling and we need to factor all of this into our structured bets and decisions.

Never an easy game and not meant to be fair, but will reward and punish along the way.

I enjoy it as a hobby as it is never going to appeal as an investment opportunity given the many uncertain variables.

LSU thats a very level headed response apart from one thing

Gambling on horse racing online in most countries is legal because there is skill involved, form is used to place wagers.

Take away the SKILL factor and it increases the chance that online gambling will become illegal, like what has happened in most US states,France,Spain and Italy

I agree that a 1/3 shot should not be having a run. My question is did the stable back it or have it in multiples or not? If they didn't then they are wrong and should have made some sort of announcement to the effect that not all was right(they don't have to but probably the right thing to do). If they did back him then they either thought he was fit enough to win but were wrong, that's it. They did their money as well but did think he was fit enough. Everyone makes mistakes in judgement. Did the stable back it?

The said horse had a come back run after a 9 week break SAME as Crystal Glamour . Different tactics different results which they admitted to ! They did not price up the horse . No trainer will put a horse in a race if it is not 100% sound and ready to run as it will only result in something terrible. A punter has his own logic to follow a horse on a 9 week break at 5/10. I also played the stable double . Things didn't work out the way I would have liked. But as we are working with live animals and racing which you all know is NOT an exact science things do go wrong. But to personally call a professional stable a cheat is a bit harsh cause your double didn't go your way..

I agree with your comment on skill Bob.

However, skill improves your odds of winning and consistency but will never guarantee a return as our assessment of how a race should pan out could be right in all regards accept at the winning post on many occasions.

Racing and sports betting are still better games than casino's or the Lotto as skill does wonders for your winning odds.