Louis & Karel - talking Merit Ratings

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Re: Louis & Karel - talking Merit Ratings

8 years 2 weeks ago
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So OTA thinks that we must not cater for plus minus say 70 percent of the horse population because they are mediocre and suit trainers like Ziets ... I say thank the owners / trainers that continue to pay and keep these horses going month in and month out to have a win or place otherwise we will have only top end horses racing each other every week.. the pools in P/e on any day are big and that's mediocre horses racing against each other. Vested interest or not we need these races to help betting volumes.

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Re: Louis & Karel - talking Merit Ratings

8 years 2 weeks ago - 8 years 2 weeks ago
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One of the biggest changes in the race program in recent years has been the virtual disappearance of novice and graduation plates.

I think this has largely been due to the fact that these events have been poorly supported,and we therefore have a system now where once a horse has won a maiden it's next start is likely a handicap.

Maybe horses should not qualify to race in a handicap unless they have won 3 races,in effect a maiden,a novice,and a graduation.This scenario leads to 'the best' horses winning through the novices and graduations and effectively stymies the progress of really moderate sorts who would otherwise be competitive in handicaps off marks like 45.

Once a 3 time winner has now qualified for a handicap the effect of MR is likely to be far more accurate.

This is a compromise of sorts,and maybe this should only be used in the major centres for example,thus 'pushing' the weaker horses off to Kimberley/PE.
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Re: Louis & Karel - talking Merit Ratings

8 years 2 weeks ago - 8 years 2 weeks ago
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The fact that a large number of the horses are effectively moderate is inevitable.

We all expect the cream to rise to the top,in all facets of life.

So every owner buys their horse with the belief that he is the next champion,and if you do happen to buy one with ability,why should he have his progress stopped by the program?
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Re: Louis & Karel - talking Merit Ratings

8 years 2 weeks ago
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Jurgs


When the horse got 84 what did you and your trainer think he was?

In other words would you have sold with a rating related price to 84 or kept?
It's easy to have a go at the handicapper but if there were claiming races with
Weights set by trainers based on what they believed the mark should be I reckon
Those races would have 1 or 2 runners for fear of getting it wrong.

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8 years 2 weeks ago
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We had claiming races in CT and they failed.Claiming races are not going to happen in SA.

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Re: Louis & Karel - talking Merit Ratings

8 years 2 weeks ago
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Every argument against handicapping is about a horse not being able to
Win due to its rating.

Don't come and tell me a horse that has run 20 times
And won 4 races should have won more by adjusting his rating lower. That
Would mean the races he lost those winners ( correctly ) handicapped would win even less

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Re: Louis & Karel - talking Merit Ratings

8 years 2 weeks ago
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HB

I know there were claiming races in ct. they failed because sa trainers
Don't like horses moving along.

If there were claiming races in sa Zietsman would be champion trainer. They would have 300
Horses and clean up with cast offs. Owners would lose less money as they would be circulating
Horses all the time.

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Re: Louis & Karel - talking Merit Ratings

8 years 2 weeks ago - 8 years 2 weeks ago
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I'm not disputing what you are saying,but unfortunately a lot of trainers in SA are archaic in their thinking.

One needs solutions in the here and now,and claimers simply won't work based on current attitudes.
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Re: Louis & Karel - talking Merit Ratings

8 years 2 weeks ago
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I have always wondered why:
a) we don't cater for claiming races where the owner/Trainer effectively weight their own horses; and
b) we don't accommodate the weighting of runners based on income earned.
I believe the race figure system is stupid.
That's all :-)

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Re: Louis & Karel - talking Merit Ratings

8 years 2 weeks ago
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Okay but the solution is

1 : Not to redress MR ratings
2: not to allow horses 3 or 4 runs out of handicaps to be come "nice sorts"

The more runs a horse has the better for me. I LOVE handicaps I KNOW exactly what I ma getting with a horse that has run 60 times, but a horse that has run once and wins by 5 I am very sceptical of because that horse winning by 5 , with the commentator jizzing in his pants and the owner jockey trainer and breeder all jumping for joy that horse has a 70% chance of being rated lower than 65.

Thats how I look at races, it takes a lot for me to LABEL a horse on his 2nd or 3rd start. I trust the stats and the math more than anything else.

MOST horse are mediocre and according to Louis 70% are rated at a certain level. Seems to me we have the majority taken care of.

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Re: Louis & Karel - talking Merit Ratings

8 years 2 weeks ago
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Here are nominations for the Northumberland Plate (handicap) to be run on the 1st July

www.racingpost.com/racecards/1353/newcas...aw/2017-07-01/675444


The art for the trainers (and us punters) is for us to be looking near the bottom of the handicap knowing where the expected cut off is and start monitoring horses looking to get in?

At the same time looking for horses whose weights will drop in preparation for the race.


This race has as much focus as most group 1's and is what racing is really all about. Beating the handicapper.

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Re: Louis & Karel - talking Merit Ratings

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From Sportingpost

www.sportingpost.co.za/insight/a-matter-...tings-how-they-work/

A Matter Of Merit (1) – Merit Ratings & How They Work

“Difference of opinion is what makes horse racing.” It’s an adage that holds true today as much as a hundred years ago. Racing without debate, heated or not, wouldn’t be the same. Controversial these days are Merit Ratings, a big debating point being how the official handicapper arrives at his ratings. Here are some ideas, writes Karel Miedema.

What is Handicapping
Handicapping is the art of bringing horses together, and making fields competitive. A ‘good’ handicap is all about perception. The question which must be asked: “What do people think before the race?” A ‘good’ handicap is when there are plenty of runners in the field, and no short-priced favourite. An open race. How do we arrive at the weights for such a race? The official handicapper must work on the assumption that most horses are inherently consistent, and reproduce their best form for periods at a time – if not all the time.

How is it applied
By measuring what is regarded as normal form, and expressing it in a figure, horses can be matched against each other and the playing field be levelled. The measure the handicapper uses is weight. Each horse has a Merit Rating (MR), an assessment of the ability shown on the track. The Merit Rating is expressed in half-kilos.

Weighing down Every kilo counts
Horses with the same MR are assumed to have similar ability. Each Merit Rating point equals half a kilo. Merit Ratings are calculated by comparing the performances of horses in a race. One horse beats another. The difference in lengths between the two can be translated in half-kilos, using a formula which has stood the test of time. It is important to understand that a length has different weight equivalent over different distances. That makes sense, as it becomes more difficult to carry weight the further the distance. Carrying a water-bucket once round the block may be fine, but the second lap will tax your muscles, slow you down.

One extra kilo weight in a sprint has far less effect than one kilo in a staying race. It may sound strange that the performance of a horse weighing 500kg, who carries a jockey and saddle weighing some 50kg, can be influenced by changing the weight carried in the saddle by a single kilo. This is because the spine of a horse acts in unison with its stomach muscles, creating what is in effect a bow and string effect. Stomach muscles affect the stride. More pressure on the ‘bow’ asks for more effort by the horse to stride freely. A little extra weight goes a long way to make things more difficult.

How is it measured
The conversion table used by a typical handicapper will look something like this.

Distance…1 length equals half-kilos 1000m …. 4 1600m …. 3 2000m …. 2 2400m …. 1

or the other way round:

Distance…1 half-kilo equals.lengths 1000m …. 1/4 1600m …. 1/2 2000m …. 3/4 2400m …. 1

So: On average one kilo equals one length over a mile, but less in a sprint, and more over ground. Think: In a slow run race it becomes easier to carry weight, and the ‘slowing down effect’ of weight should be adjusted to compensate. That is why knowing at what pace a race is being run is important.

Where do you start
What? Where to start?
Horses come into any race with an existing Merit Rating (how the base or start-up rating is arrived at will the subject of another article). The distance of the race is fixed, so the handicapper knows what weight value to use for one length. Now when the race is run the horses will beat each other by a certain number of lengths, which can be translated into half-kilos using the formula. If all horses carry the same weight, then calculated difference from lengths-behind into half-kilos will equal the difference in Merit rating between the horses.

For example: Horse A and B race over 1600m; both carry the same weight; Horse A beats Horse B by 2 lengths. The two lengths difference is the equivalent of 4 half-kilos – Horse A therefore puts up a performance 4 Merit Points superior to Horse B. Now the handicapper looks at the Merit Ratings as they were before the race. He checks: was Horse A’s Merit Rating beforehand also 4 points higher than the one of Horse B? Chances are it won’t be exactly the same, but it should be close. Now comes the task of adjusting the rating. If the ‘before’ and ‘after’ MR’s weren’t the same, how should they be adjusted – if at all?

To make that decision the handicapper MUST look at the ratings of ALL horses in the race, not just those of A and B. Most commonly, he will look for the performance of a horse that finished within a few lengths of the winner and whose recent form has been consistent and reliable. That becomes his KEY HORSE, the horse whose rating is used as a benchmark.
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Give me an example
Free My Heart Free My Heart
A good example of this is the performance of Free My Heart when he beat Jet Master over 1600m at Clairwood. In the July panel discussion Paul Lafferty was highly vocal about the fact that he didn’t think Free My Heart had been properly ‘penalised’, and that he should have had his Merit Rating increased by six instead of the two Merit Rating points the handicapper raised his rating by.

If the reasoning of taking a line through Jet Master is used, then Free My Heart’s rating should have been increased to at least the level of Jet Master’s rating. That’s what the race showed. Now for the crunch: if Free My Heart’s rating is raised to that level, then the ratings for all other runners in the same race must follow suit – they are, after all, linked together through the lengths-behind-the-winner calculation. In this case it meant that not only Free My Heart’s rating would have gone up dramatically, but those of most other runners in the race as well! Forget it.

So what’s the answer
The only logical conclusion was that Jet Master probably ran below best, and should not be used as the key HORSE. The handicapper decided, in this case, that the more likely candidate for key honours was third finisher Glamour Boy. If Glamour Boy ran to his ‘normal’ form, then most of the horses in the field appeared to do the same. Free My Heart’s Merit Rating increase was therefore based on beating Glamour Boy, not on beating Jet Master.

A sound decision. This example illustrates what is probably the most common mistake made by us. We assume that when a horse wins a race it automatically must have its merit Rating increased, be penalised. Wrong. IT ALL DEPENDS on the key HORSE. The winning horse could well have won easily and run below his rating, in which case it would be wrong to increase its rating. If a penalty for winning was given automatically, then it could be that several of the beaten horses might also have to go up, because of their lengths-behind-the-winner relationship.

Making sense?
In handicapping there’s no such thing as a penalty. Re-assessment to achieve optimum competitiveness – that the name of the game.

Don’t forget: the handicapper rates ALL races, not just handicaps. After each and every race he attempts to achieve a ‘best fit’ for the Merit ratings of all horses in the race, not just for the winner or the first two home. Over time, the handicapper will build up a history of each horse, a solid background to its apparent ability shown on the track. So when you see a short-priced favourite in a handicap race (where the handicapper has set the weights to give every horse the same chance of winning), pay attention.

Either the handicapper has slipped up, or – much more likely – the market is wrong. Often you can use that knowledge to your benefit. The Ability Ratings (AR) in Sporting Post are calculated in much the same way as the official Merit Ratings. Sometimes opinions concur strongly, sometimes they differ – either way useful betting opportunities arise. Keep your eyes peeled.

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