Magic Feet or not?

dynasty Wrote:

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> Hibs I have seen scratchings before without
> specific detail "passport discrepancy". I've also
> often watched the lady who do the job at
> Scotsville and she seems very thorough and
> dedicated. Would be interesting to know for how
> long the Cape town lady was in that position.


Just imo should there not to two people or more n a verification process such as a scanner and an auditor?

Muhtiman Wrote:

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> > dynasty Wrote:
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> > > The lady who are responsible for
> "identifying"
> > the2
> > > horses, did she know what she was doing and
> > > properly trained or just another clueless
> > > incompetent appointment? Just wondering.
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> > I like to go into the old parade ring at
> > Turffontein and the lady there who scans the
> > horses runs the whole preparation show like a
> > matron in a hospital. Sjoe, I would really be
> > surprised if a fly got past her..
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> These are normally passionate horse people that do
> this type of job people that know
> horses.......Iwonder if the same can be said of
> the horse identifier involved with this
> fiasco.....the horse plays up and she is too
> scared to go near it to locate the chip.....please
> put horse people in these horsey jobs .....this is
> not a position like that of a security guard at a
> mall that is armed with a paddle metal
> detector....

Surely the Vet or Stipe look at each horse so why do the three(identifier) work in combination and verify at the same time?

hibernia Wrote:

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> > bee numbers may be more important than eficency
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> Nothing to do with bee, it's to do with training

?.....disagree most strongly......if one has an inherent fear of horses .....then no matter how much training
one will hardly ever overcome this......who says that the present identifier was not a trainee ......it is very sad that a mistake like this may cost a man his training career as ultimately he will be at blame....I have been in a yard when a trainer has received a draft from the sales where without a chip scanner we tried to identify 2 similar looking fillies with passport and markings and got it wrong......only at starting stall qualification did one see that the horses were identified correctly

Muhtiman Wrote:

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> > > bee numbers may be more important than
> eficency
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> > Nothing to do with bee, it's to do with
> training
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> ?.....disagree most strongly......if one has an
> inherent fear of horses .....then no matter how
> much training
> one will hardly ever overcome this......who says
> that the present identifier was not a trainee
> ......it is very sad that a mistake like this may
> cost a man his training career as ultimately he
> will be at blame....I have been in a yard when a
> trainer has received a draft from the sales where
> without a chip scanner we tried to identify 2
> similar looking fillies with passport and
> markings and got it wrong......only at starting
> stall qualification did one see that the horses
> were identified correctly


but still BEE has nothing to do with it - It is a management and training problem - 95% of people that have the most intimate relationship with racehorses are grooms who are black

Parent sends wrong twin to airport and we blame the customs official completely.

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> but still BEE has nothing to do with it - It is a
> management and training problem - 95% of people
> that have the most intimate relationship with
> racehorses are grooms who are black

?......yes very high percentage of grooms are black......but it does not mean that all black people are compatible or have an affinity with working with horses......when potential grooms came along to try out for jobs my grandfather would team them up with the worst behaved horses in the yard.....if they were there after a week they got the job......must say we never had a failure.....one guy went on to be my fathers head groom and today is highly sort after......

Muhtiman Wrote:

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> > but still BEE has nothing to do with it - It is
> a
> > management and training problem - 95% of people
> > that have the most intimate relationship with
> > racehorses are grooms who are black
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> ?......yes very high percentage of grooms are
> black......but it does not mean that all black
> people are compatible or have an affinity with
> working with horses......when potential grooms
> came along to try out for jobs my grandfather
> would team them up with the worst behaved horses
> in the yard.....if they were there after a week
> they got the job......must say we never had a
> failure.....one guy went on to be my fathers head
> groom and today is highly sort after......

Again BEE has zero to do with it - if you had put a white male that was fearful of horses it that position you would have the same problem

Flash Harry Wrote:

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> bee numbers may be more important than eficency
> (td)


Flash you talking kak

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> Again BEE has zero to do with it - if you had put
> a white male that was fearful of horses it that
> position you would have the same problem

....colour was never in question....but the abilitly to be around horses is....we are merely making assumptions on what we hear.....it was reported that the chip was not scanned because the horse was playing up.....so rather than correctly identifying the horse through a scan she reportedly matched the identity though the passport......this is a case of negligence as that person trained or in the process of being trained made a call that turned out to be incorrect.....this is not a simple error it is a comedey of errors that has made our local racing look like a joke.....people that want to work with horses should have that passion to do so...... and it should be a prerequisite in employment..... do you think that some one with no experience in dealing with or being comfortable around horses should be employed to do so.....so if you white black pink or purple and have a fear or are not comfortable being around horses then why apply for such a job......:S.

Muhtiman Wrote:

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> > Again BEE has zero to do with it - if you had
> put
> > a white male that was fearful of horses it that
> > position you would have the same problem
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> ....colour was never in question....but the
> abilitly to be around horses is....we are merely
> making assumptions on what we hear.....it was
> reported that the chip was not scanned because the
> horse was playing up.....so rather than correctly
> identifying the horse through a scan she
> reportedly matched the identity though the
> passport......this is a case of negligence as that
> person trained or in the process of being trained
> made a call that turned out to be
> incorrect.....this is not a simple error it is a
> comedey of errors that has made our local racing
> look like a joke.....people that want to work with
> horses should have that passion to do so...... and
> it should be a prerequisite in employment..... do
> you think that some one with no experience in
> dealing with or being comfortable around horses
> should be employed to do so.....so if you white
> black pink or purple and have a fear or are not
> comfortable being around horses then why apply for
> such a job......:S.


I presume she applied for the job because it was advertised - The person that trained/appointed her is to blame not her nor BEE - And the TRAINER that had this horse in his care for all that time and did not check the passport properly? And when it passed stalls? Is she still the only one to take the brunt?

Without the TRUE facts we are all speculating. We all have made mistakes but my motto is even when I am wrong I am still right e.g. I have as yet not won the Power Ball but this because even though I pick the correct numbers they draw the wrong numbers everytime. What I am trying to highlight is that we all need to ownership of our decisions and live with the consequences thereof. Also the trend is to blame the lowest level of employee and not MANAGEMENT.
IMVHO in this instance there was a total lack of management all round, from thre Stable to the Course, they ARE NOT doing the job that they are HIGHLY paid for and SEVERE ACTION is required.

Not only Horse Racing but the whole Country has now been brought into DISREPUTE. This is so serious that I would think that if no LEGAL action can/will be taken then the Govt (Gambling Board) should set up a Comm of Inquiry to get to the TRUTH.

How can a member of the Stewards visually identify a Horse better that the Stable and the Passport and the Chip can, the mind boggles.

i am off to the vet to have my dog scanned just to make sure it is my dog because ihave fed walked picked up his poo for the last four years