John Freeman on Phindi Kema
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Re: Re: John Freeman on Phindi Kema
12 years 8 months ago
Titch Wrote:
> The question here is has Phindi got the
> credentials to run racing and the answer is quite
> clearly NO!! she is clueless
Titch,she probably has a far greater knowledge of racing than the CEO of "P" had when appointed (and perhaps to date.)........by his own admission.
I have no idea of her management skills(and I would guess that neither do you) but I would doubt she would be intending to run any racing activities like a small owner operator.................as a matter of interest how much did you know about scooters before you started your empire..........lol
> The question here is has Phindi got the
> credentials to run racing and the answer is quite
> clearly NO!! she is clueless
Titch,she probably has a far greater knowledge of racing than the CEO of "P" had when appointed (and perhaps to date.)........by his own admission.
I have no idea of her management skills(and I would guess that neither do you) but I would doubt she would be intending to run any racing activities like a small owner operator.................as a matter of interest how much did you know about scooters before you started your empire..........lol
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Re: Re: John Freeman on Phindi Kema
12 years 8 months ago
Some of her statements include:-
"One of my mares is standing at Gary Player's stud farm in Colesberg. She has been covered by Manshood, sire of Iph'Intombi," she said. "I believe that Iph'Intombi was the best filly Africa has ever produced and she was voted the best filly internationally in 2002. I named my stud farm after her."
Mating her mares with top commercial stallions does not come cheap. Not only are there transportation costs, but the actual mating exercise costs up to R250 000 per mare.:S:S
About her R25M International race:-
“The money is critical if we want to attract the international market. You need to bear in mind that some of the thoroughbreds are worth £30 million and owners are not going to transport these animals and send them to race in an event unless it is worth their while. Even if their horse doesn’t win, you need to make the event high profile enough for them to want to come. And while R25 million is a lot on the South African horse-racing scene, it’s not as much as the big established international events
30M GBP?? she hasn't even got the decency to check her "facts"
December 2009:-
African countries could soon have their race horses galloping in Plettenberg Bay - that's if Africa Race Estate is allowed to develop an ambitious R1.3-billion track, pavilion, a five-star hotel and village in the area.
Though the man on the street will be able to race at the planned annual Africa Race International, the developers are targeting African countries, their royalty and super-rich.
Africa Race Estate, which has the full backing of Western Cape MEC for finance, economic development and tourism Alan Winde, said the development would begin as soon as regulatory requirements such as an environmental impact assessment and rezoning of the 60ha land had been cleared.
Phindi Kema, a director at African Race Estate, said: "We are building the home of African racing. Taking the lead will be African countries and their royals.
"This is a sport of kings and it's only natural that you will have African royalty taking part in the race.
"The whole idea is to have royal families and the rich and famous backing or even owning specific horses in the race. The critical aspect of it is the visibility of African royalty," she said.
Initially, the race would feature Libya, Swaziland, Morocco, Nigeria and Angola, Kema said, adding that more and more royalty would be lured as time went on.
This whole thing seems like an April fools joke...
"One of my mares is standing at Gary Player's stud farm in Colesberg. She has been covered by Manshood, sire of Iph'Intombi," she said. "I believe that Iph'Intombi was the best filly Africa has ever produced and she was voted the best filly internationally in 2002. I named my stud farm after her."
Mating her mares with top commercial stallions does not come cheap. Not only are there transportation costs, but the actual mating exercise costs up to R250 000 per mare.:S:S
About her R25M International race:-
“The money is critical if we want to attract the international market. You need to bear in mind that some of the thoroughbreds are worth £30 million and owners are not going to transport these animals and send them to race in an event unless it is worth their while. Even if their horse doesn’t win, you need to make the event high profile enough for them to want to come. And while R25 million is a lot on the South African horse-racing scene, it’s not as much as the big established international events
30M GBP?? she hasn't even got the decency to check her "facts"
December 2009:-
African countries could soon have their race horses galloping in Plettenberg Bay - that's if Africa Race Estate is allowed to develop an ambitious R1.3-billion track, pavilion, a five-star hotel and village in the area.
Though the man on the street will be able to race at the planned annual Africa Race International, the developers are targeting African countries, their royalty and super-rich.
Africa Race Estate, which has the full backing of Western Cape MEC for finance, economic development and tourism Alan Winde, said the development would begin as soon as regulatory requirements such as an environmental impact assessment and rezoning of the 60ha land had been cleared.
Phindi Kema, a director at African Race Estate, said: "We are building the home of African racing. Taking the lead will be African countries and their royals.
"This is a sport of kings and it's only natural that you will have African royalty taking part in the race.
"The whole idea is to have royal families and the rich and famous backing or even owning specific horses in the race. The critical aspect of it is the visibility of African royalty," she said.
Initially, the race would feature Libya, Swaziland, Morocco, Nigeria and Angola, Kema said, adding that more and more royalty would be lured as time went on.
This whole thing seems like an April fools joke...
Give everything but up!
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Re: Re: John Freeman on Phindi Kema
12 years 8 months ago
she sounds clueless to racing to me
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Re: Re: John Freeman on Phindi Kema
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Titch Wrote:
> Some of her statements include:-
> "One of my mares is standing at Gary Player's stud
> farm in Colesberg. She has been covered by
> Manshood, sire of Iph'Intombi," she said. "I
> believe that Iph'Intombi was the best filly Africa
> has ever produced and she was voted the best filly
> internationally in 2002. I named my stud farm
> after her."
> Mating her mares with top commercial stallions
> does not come cheap. Not only are there
> transportation costs, but the actual mating
> exercise costs up to R250 000 per mare.:S:S
>
> About her R25M International race:-
> “The money is critical if we want to attract the
> international market. You need to bear in mind
> that some of the thoroughbreds are worth £30
> million and owners are not going to transport
> these animals and send them to race in an event
> unless it is worth their while. Even if their
> horse doesn’t win, you need to make the event
> high profile enough for them to want to come. And
> while R25 million is a lot on the South African
> horse-racing scene, it’s not as much as the big
> established international events
> 30M GBP?? she hasn't even got the decency to check
> her "facts"
>
> December 2009:-
> African countries could soon have their race
> horses galloping in Plettenberg Bay - that's if
> Africa Race Estate is allowed to develop an
> ambitious R1.3-billion track, pavilion, a
> five-star hotel and village in the area.
>
> Though the man on the street will be able to race
> at the planned annual Africa Race International,
> the developers are targeting African countries,
> their royalty and super-rich.
>
> Africa Race Estate, which has the full backing of
> Western Cape MEC for finance, economic development
> and tourism Alan Winde, said the development would
> begin as soon as regulatory requirements such as
> an environmental impact assessment and rezoning of
> the 60ha land had been cleared.
>
> Phindi Kema, a director at African Race Estate,
> said: "We are building the home of African racing.
> Taking the lead will be African countries and
> their royals.
>
> "This is a sport of kings and it's only natural
> that you will have African royalty taking part in
> the race.
>
> "The whole idea is to have royal families and the
> rich and famous backing or even owning specific
> horses in the race. The critical aspect of it is
> the visibility of African royalty," she said.
>
> Initially, the race would feature Libya,
> Swaziland, Morocco, Nigeria and Angola, Kema said,
> adding that more and more royalty would be lured
> as time went on.
>
> This whole thing seems like an April fools joke...
I can't agree more Titch. Biggest load of bulls%*t I have ever read.
> Some of her statements include:-
> "One of my mares is standing at Gary Player's stud
> farm in Colesberg. She has been covered by
> Manshood, sire of Iph'Intombi," she said. "I
> believe that Iph'Intombi was the best filly Africa
> has ever produced and she was voted the best filly
> internationally in 2002. I named my stud farm
> after her."
> Mating her mares with top commercial stallions
> does not come cheap. Not only are there
> transportation costs, but the actual mating
> exercise costs up to R250 000 per mare.:S:S
>
> About her R25M International race:-
> “The money is critical if we want to attract the
> international market. You need to bear in mind
> that some of the thoroughbreds are worth £30
> million and owners are not going to transport
> these animals and send them to race in an event
> unless it is worth their while. Even if their
> horse doesn’t win, you need to make the event
> high profile enough for them to want to come. And
> while R25 million is a lot on the South African
> horse-racing scene, it’s not as much as the big
> established international events
> 30M GBP?? she hasn't even got the decency to check
> her "facts"
>
> December 2009:-
> African countries could soon have their race
> horses galloping in Plettenberg Bay - that's if
> Africa Race Estate is allowed to develop an
> ambitious R1.3-billion track, pavilion, a
> five-star hotel and village in the area.
>
> Though the man on the street will be able to race
> at the planned annual Africa Race International,
> the developers are targeting African countries,
> their royalty and super-rich.
>
> Africa Race Estate, which has the full backing of
> Western Cape MEC for finance, economic development
> and tourism Alan Winde, said the development would
> begin as soon as regulatory requirements such as
> an environmental impact assessment and rezoning of
> the 60ha land had been cleared.
>
> Phindi Kema, a director at African Race Estate,
> said: "We are building the home of African racing.
> Taking the lead will be African countries and
> their royals.
>
> "This is a sport of kings and it's only natural
> that you will have African royalty taking part in
> the race.
>
> "The whole idea is to have royal families and the
> rich and famous backing or even owning specific
> horses in the race. The critical aspect of it is
> the visibility of African royalty," she said.
>
> Initially, the race would feature Libya,
> Swaziland, Morocco, Nigeria and Angola, Kema said,
> adding that more and more royalty would be lured
> as time went on.
>
> This whole thing seems like an April fools joke...
I can't agree more Titch. Biggest load of bulls%*t I have ever read.
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Re: Re: John Freeman on Phindi Kema
12 years 8 months ago
I doubt that this lady knows anything about Racing but to focus on her rather than on a Deal for WP Racing that is starting to look suspect is wrong. Amazing that someone with so little insight could have exposed the sellout of Cape Racing while those with an interest let Phum do as they pleased it seems.
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Re: Re: John Freeman on Phindi Kema
12 years 8 months ago
Umlilo, I am not playing her and agree that racing is not perfect. Where I have a problem is hearing and reading about all these allegations about her farm, labourer's and the blatant lies on her facebook site. Should we even entertain her and why is she not questoined about them and let her prove the allegations wrong. In the 35 yrs I have been actively involved in racing I have met many conmen/woman,liars,cheats and bullsh..ers. One thing that they all (or most) had in common is that when they spoke they really sounded truthful and plausible but they were not. I cannot stand liars and at the moment that is the way she is looking to be. Pleases let her prove everyone wrong about these allegations, so that I can understand why people who are making big decisions in racing are even giving her the time of day. All I want to know is are they true or not.
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Re: Re: John Freeman on Phindi Kema
12 years 8 months ago
@Craig & Titch:
'...umlilo... you wrong!!!'
Sorry, umlilo says .....'my apologies!'
At the end of a long day & lotsa booze, I also joined in to urinate over his dead body when I heard 'Sizwe Bansi is Dead'!
Drunk or sober, it was the wrong thing to do!
Just 2 points:
1. If the accusations that Mr Freeman makes are anywhere near the truth, then Phindi has (her prerogative!) a lot of explaning to do;
2. If not, then, by her standards (and reputation), she should take legal action and clear her name.
However, the comparisons that Mr Freeman makes (and direct inferences) about 'they after the silverware....', etc are totally uncalled for and highly inflammatory. Herein, Mr Freeman should explain the context to clarify any misunderstanding.
Lastly, why did Mr Freeman not appear before the CC with these disclosures; that would have been the right thing to do (as the Kappies se)...... neh Mnr Freeman?
Touche'!
'...umlilo... you wrong!!!'
Sorry, umlilo says .....'my apologies!'
At the end of a long day & lotsa booze, I also joined in to urinate over his dead body when I heard 'Sizwe Bansi is Dead'!
Drunk or sober, it was the wrong thing to do!
Just 2 points:
1. If the accusations that Mr Freeman makes are anywhere near the truth, then Phindi has (her prerogative!) a lot of explaning to do;
2. If not, then, by her standards (and reputation), she should take legal action and clear her name.
However, the comparisons that Mr Freeman makes (and direct inferences) about 'they after the silverware....', etc are totally uncalled for and highly inflammatory. Herein, Mr Freeman should explain the context to clarify any misunderstanding.
Lastly, why did Mr Freeman not appear before the CC with these disclosures; that would have been the right thing to do (as the Kappies se)...... neh Mnr Freeman?
Touche'!
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Re: Re: John Freeman on Phindi Kema
12 years 8 months ago
Craig Eudey Wrote:
> Umlilo, I am not playing her and agree that racing
> is not perfect. Where I have a problem is hearing
> and reading about all these allegations about her
> farm, labourer's and the blatant lies on her
> facebook site. Should we even entertain her and
> why is she not questoined about them and let her
> prove the allegations wrong. In the 35 yrs I have
> been actively involved in racing I have met many
> conmen/woman,liars,cheats and bullsh..ers. One
> thing that they all (or most) had in common is
> that when they spoke they really sounded truthful
> and plausible but they were not. I cannot stand
> liars and at the moment that is the way she is
> looking to be. Pleases let her prove everyone
> wrong about these allegations, so that I can
> understand why people who are making big decisions
> in racing are even giving her the time of day.
> All I want to know is are they true or not.
I think it is more important to find out about that sweet deal Phum are giving Cape Town than to try and discredit this woman (I fear her Facebook page has done enough to destroy her cred) Should we now also start to look at all the other people who are testfying to see if we can draw attention away from Phum and WP?
> Umlilo, I am not playing her and agree that racing
> is not perfect. Where I have a problem is hearing
> and reading about all these allegations about her
> farm, labourer's and the blatant lies on her
> facebook site. Should we even entertain her and
> why is she not questoined about them and let her
> prove the allegations wrong. In the 35 yrs I have
> been actively involved in racing I have met many
> conmen/woman,liars,cheats and bullsh..ers. One
> thing that they all (or most) had in common is
> that when they spoke they really sounded truthful
> and plausible but they were not. I cannot stand
> liars and at the moment that is the way she is
> looking to be. Pleases let her prove everyone
> wrong about these allegations, so that I can
> understand why people who are making big decisions
> in racing are even giving her the time of day.
> All I want to know is are they true or not.
I think it is more important to find out about that sweet deal Phum are giving Cape Town than to try and discredit this woman (I fear her Facebook page has done enough to destroy her cred) Should we now also start to look at all the other people who are testfying to see if we can draw attention away from Phum and WP?
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Re: Re: John Freeman on Phindi Kema
12 years 8 months ago
Looking in from the outside, this revelation by Mr Freedman (and the timing of it) does seem to me to be an attempt (and a rather successful attempt taking into account the comments on this thread) to shift the focus from the more important issue which is the case currrently being heard by the CC ......
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Re: Re: John Freeman on Phindi Kema
12 years 8 months ago
Racing is a tough money losing game all over the world. Anyone wanting to take over right now has just one goal — to strip our assets. Racing owns a lot of property — racecourse and training centres which might appear to be very tantalising to corporate raiding types. However, these cannot be sold — they are central to our daily function.
As far as I know Phum has stripped it's fair share of assets
As far as I know Phum has stripped it's fair share of assets
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Re: Re: John Freeman on Phindi Kema
12 years 8 months ago
Dear Mr Freeman
Thank you for the million wonderful things you have done for the sport of horseracing in South Africa, your actions have made things better for many people.
Dear Miss Kema
Thank you for the ONE thing you have done for the sport of horseracing in South Africa, your action has forced people to look inwards and will hopefully stop the rot and the plundering.
Dear Mr Freeman
Passing on your clients details for marketing purposes to Peter Gibson and his cronies is wrong. Washing tour laundry here is wrong, you should have testified.
Dear Miss Kema
Pretending to run a horserace on a polo track with horses from Angola etc is ridicoulous. Your website looks like it was built by my 16 month old and your figures just dont stack up.
Thank you for the million wonderful things you have done for the sport of horseracing in South Africa, your actions have made things better for many people.
Dear Miss Kema
Thank you for the ONE thing you have done for the sport of horseracing in South Africa, your action has forced people to look inwards and will hopefully stop the rot and the plundering.
Dear Mr Freeman
Passing on your clients details for marketing purposes to Peter Gibson and his cronies is wrong. Washing tour laundry here is wrong, you should have testified.
Dear Miss Kema
Pretending to run a horserace on a polo track with horses from Angola etc is ridicoulous. Your website looks like it was built by my 16 month old and your figures just dont stack up.
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Re: Re: John Freeman on Phindi Kema
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easy Wrote:
> Dear Mr Freeman
>
> Thank you for the million wonderful things you
> have done for the sport of horseracing in South
> Africa, your actions have made things better for
> many people.
>
> Dear Miss Kema
>
> Thank you for the ONE thing you have done for the
> sport of horseracing in South Africa, your action
> has forced people to look inwards and will
> hopefully stop the rot and the plundering.
>
> Dear Mr Freeman
>
> Passing on your clients details for marketing
> purposes to Peter Gibson and his cronies is wrong.
> Washing tour laundry here is wrong, you should
> have testified.
>
> Dear Miss Kema
>
> Pretending to run a horserace on a polo track with
> horses from Angola etc is ridicoulous. Your
> website looks like it was built by my 16 month old
> and your figures just dont stack up.
Easy..... spot on, simply well said.....John and co squeezed out the toothpaste and no way to put it back in the tube
> Dear Mr Freeman
>
> Thank you for the million wonderful things you
> have done for the sport of horseracing in South
> Africa, your actions have made things better for
> many people.
>
> Dear Miss Kema
>
> Thank you for the ONE thing you have done for the
> sport of horseracing in South Africa, your action
> has forced people to look inwards and will
> hopefully stop the rot and the plundering.
>
> Dear Mr Freeman
>
> Passing on your clients details for marketing
> purposes to Peter Gibson and his cronies is wrong.
> Washing tour laundry here is wrong, you should
> have testified.
>
> Dear Miss Kema
>
> Pretending to run a horserace on a polo track with
> horses from Angola etc is ridicoulous. Your
> website looks like it was built by my 16 month old
> and your figures just dont stack up.
Easy..... spot on, simply well said.....John and co squeezed out the toothpaste and no way to put it back in the tube
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