Jockey Title restrictions unfair??

Ok, I totally get your point and I have considered the Klawervlei/Marcus link over and over again. The timing is suspect, but truth is the exclusion of Zim on the log has been a long time coming.

Why is Gavin considered the underdog? He basically has JHB sewn up (Highveld Jockey of the season award proves it) He is by no means scraping by, nor has he ever been short of quality rides.

You of all people know a true underdog! Andrew Fortune came back swinging, after most of the racing public had written him off, not only did he relocate to JHB for a stint, having no solid race relationships up here AND the man could only ride top rated horses due to his weight restrictions. NOW THAT is a true Cinderella story.

Not a strapping young man with the pick of the rides in the strongest racing centre in SA! *spit on floor*

Plus I maintain, his behavior and means of going about business leave a lot to be desired.

Would you be as upset if he had won the national championship and then revoked Zim from this season?

No vitriol meant towards you, Titch, in this post whatsoever

@Titch

As for Brandon refusing 2 winning rides to Gavin at Scottsville: Family relations between the 2 have been strained to say the least, for ages already due to issue best left alone.

Plus Brandon has 2 mouths to feed and is not nearly as successful as Gav, its his right to decline.

Anton asked Piere for rides, the answer was also a most definite NO.

No offense taken SpookE,Brandon never refused,he was never asked, your point re Andrew is a very valid one but if you take Anton Anthony and Gavin's ride base into account Gav will come out the under dog every time,

Titch have you ever thought that the Zim Jocks need the cash more than our top Jockeys(they lose rides for what?)?

Titch Wrote:

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> No offense taken SpookE,Brandon never refused,he
> was never asked, your point re Andrew is a very
> valid one but if you take Anton Anthony and
> Gavin's ride base into account Gav will come out
> the under dog every time,

Ok misread your post....

Although I have seen 1st hand him isolating himself from the other jocks (poor show considering his father is chairman of SAJA)
the rumblings of receiving his entries before everyone else etc... So my view ARE completely biased based on a dislike of his behaviour (not him as a person)

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> Titch have you ever thought that the Zim Jocks
> need the cash more than our top Jockeys(they lose
> rides for what?)?

as do the local so called "lessor jocks" who loose rides to the upper echelon on a daily basis I doubt very much that Gav will stop going up to Zim becoz of the title restriction

SpookE Wrote:

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> Although I have seen 1st hand him isolating
> himself from the other jocks (poor show
> considering his father is chairman of SAJA)
> the rumblings of receiving his entries before
> everyone else etc... So my view ARE completely
> biased based on a dislike of his behaviour (not
> him as a person)

I am unaware of that so can't comment but I do know that he is very respectful and close to Andrew, I can only comment on my interaction and both the Lerena boys are extremely well mannered and professional ...Doug Whyte is well known for keeping a distance between himself and his fellow jocks, Im sure in the case of both Gav and Doug that is not a sign of disrespect ...to each their own I guess

titch there are certain individuals who can do what they want in this industry and you should know full well who they are as on one or two ocassions you have defended their actions ....once you have the money you get the power

Let me tell u all again......the Klawervlei/Marcus link had NOTHING to do with the decision made




SpookE Wrote:

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> Ok, I totally get your point and I have considered
> the Klawervlei/Marcus link over and over again.
> The timing is suspect, but truth is the exclusion
> of Zim on the log has been a long time coming.
>
> Why is Gavin considered the underdog? He basically
> has JHB sewn up (Highveld Jockey of the season
> award proves it) He is by no means scraping by,
> nor has he ever been short of quality rides.
>
> You of all people know a true underdog! Andrew
> Fortune came back swinging, after most of the
> racing public had written him off, not only did he
> relocate to JHB for a stint, having no solid race
> relationships up here AND the man could only ride
> top rated horses due to his weight restrictions.
> NOW THAT is a true Cinderella story.
>
> Not a strapping young man with the pick of the
> rides in the strongest racing centre in SA! *spit
> on floor*
>
> Plus I maintain, his behavior and means of going
> about business leave a lot to be desired.
>
> Would you be as upset if he had won the national
> championship and then revoked Zim from this
> season?
>
> No vitriol meant towards you, Titch, in this post
> whatsoever

How many Favs did Gavin ride?

How many SA rides did Muzi finish with?

even if he did offer trainers the full stakes he wouldnt be the first jockey to "pay" others for rides to win a title

hi guys...decided just to read posts for a while...but every so often the more u read ,the more the topic becomes distorted:
my views are :
1).the ZIM issue really should have no bearing...because Zim races on a day when there is south african racing as well...so if u prepared to travel to zim, then get an agent, and go ride the day on a south african course...i am sure champion material will pick up decent mounts.

2).Gavin lost the championship by 1 winner...the 7 week injury in hind sight was the determining factor...not the winners he picked up on his Zim triade which brought him close.

3)any jockey with title aspirations will have to travel and not just win it in his province...there are plenty races around the country and timing is all important as its mind body and soul stuff if u want to tarvel the whole season

40.just an observation,and this is personal...towards the latter stages , A.marcus handled the pressure better...i can think of about 5 rides that gavin totally fcuked up...in zim on that final sunday...he was totally indecisive..he was actually lucky to win on earl of surrey as well...to me he was fatigued his mind was "fried"

5).i will go far as to say that dropping zim will never automatically hand it to AM OR AD..as there are plenty winners out there for the younger guys or older..if they are prepared to travel from the word go.

so in conclusion then i will be bold enough to say to anyone who is chasing championship ,if they are not 25 ahead of anton come july 1..they can try what they like they have no chance....and it should be in their stradegy to pace it with anton and always use him as the yardstick thru the season and build on their lead when he is being selective about meetings.

all set and done...there are only 3 jocks i would want on my horses

anton to ride my horse when i know i dont have the best horse in the race..and winning that race is has to be tactical
pierre when balance and quick decisions are required
and gavin when i need a horse to just track the leaders and have him balanced enough when an effort is asked upon