MR of Variety Club and Jackson

Barry Irwin Wrote:

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> Justin, ANY horse can run one big number. It
> happens. But it does seem strange that a horse
> that has run as many winning races seems stuck on
> one number while the others always seems to go in
> the opposite direction.


hi barry..yes but as i said before those races that she has won have been against fillies at level weights..fillies rated far lower than her(except for one or two who clearly ran below)..so she was rated to win therefore is essentially proving nothing by winning..if you see what i mean..at 107 she is high rated with regards to other fillies..which she has been beating..hopefully in durban she can beat the high rated colts too..and then achieve 115 or whatever..

A guy that used to be a handicapper has a completely different opinion of EF than the current group at The Jockey Club.

Justinv makes perfect sense to me ! She ran in the Queens plate where she had the opportunity to prove she is better than rated . For certain reasons she did not perform there . She could not possibly be rated higher than what she is at present , as Justin says she has beaten the lesser rated fillies !

When she races with higher rated horses male or female she can beat them and then get adjusted accordingly . Bring on the kzn season .

Barry Irwin
Re: Kenilworth - Saturday
December 17, 2011 03:28PM Registered: 4 years ago
Posts: 966
The horses Ebony Flyer has been beating are useless.

party line then igugu must be useless.

When Igugu's off the track she's pretty useless - just chomps on hay, flirts with Ilsanpietro and chats away with Welwitshia... waste of space if you ask me

winzip..dynamite mike once beat jay peg in the kzn guineas..one swallow doesnt make a summer

Ebony Flyer was an extremely worthy winner of the Fillies Guineas - at the time. But a lot changes in over a year in racing.

Agree that her Fillies Guineas was a top effort but she was rated to win. ( EF was a 106 and Igugu a 98 on the day.)

As Barry Irwin stated in December ( after the Diana Stakes and a Conditions race but prior to the Majorca ) she hasn't beaten much, in his opinion.

Maybe I'm cherry picking his comments but it might explain why her rating is where it is. It at least goes a little way to explaining why her rating hasn't gone up this Cape summer season.

justinv u right.just bear in mind the fillies guineas is a gr1 and both horses carried level weights.
being a gr1 im sure mdk had igugu at 100% for the race and imo horses coming from altitude hv an advantage,( even tho igugu had to travel) she still lost to a better filly on the day.no excuses so how can party line say all ebony flyer beat is crap when everyone is saying igugu is the best thing on four legs since sliced bread.imo igugu is a very good horse but no superstar on the world stage.she is at best equal to gr2 standard in the uk.i base this on london news who was head & shoulders above anything in his time in sa,but was beaten by many, many lengths in uk at gr1 level.our gr 1 winners over distance are not in same class as uk horses.

Igugu is a Grade 1 winner anywhere on the face of the earth.

Ebony Flyer, based on my experience with Ipi Tombe, Irridescence, Captain's Lover, Gypsy's Warning etc. would be a Grade 1 winner anywhere as well.

I do agree that the horses Ebony Flyer beat this year are not a stellar bunch, as I stated earlier. But she keeps beating them and nobody knows what a horse has in hand that keeps on winning.

Yip. Its not whom they beat that counts but how they beat them.