Hollywoodbets Durban July 2022 Final Field

Sylvester wrote:

Hoedspruit does not deserve inclusion ahead of Plattner runner!!

mr hawaii wrote:

Sylvester wrote:

Hoedspruit does not deserve inclusion ahead of Plattner runner!!

Gr 2 winner in January beating a 129 ,118, 119 - Sixth in the Met vs a Gr 3 winner(best in race was a 112)
If Nel wanted the July he would have found races to get his rating up (I doubt Nel thought the horse was good enough or he would not have only come in as a supplementary )- Just like Marina was cost a place in the July because her trainer did not place her correctly

naresh wrote:

Rachel Vennikar will ride Red Saxon.

Prish007 wrote:

]Is a draw low really beneficial. Since the field was dropped to 18 in 2015. Only 3 winners out of 7 have come from a draw below 15.
2015 draw 6
2016 draw 18
2017 draw 8
2018 draw 15
2019 draw 8
2020 draw 17
2021 draw 18
Seems like to be drawn on the outside has it advantages of not getting mixed up in all the scrimmaging for spots early on.

Bob Brogan wrote:

naresh wrote:

Rachel Vennikar will ride Red Saxon.

Riding overweight?

Delighted for her and i'm not being disrespectful, but it's a weird decision

Bob Brogan wrote:

naresh wrote:

Rachel Vennikar will ride Red Saxon.

Riding overweight?

Delighted for her and i'm not being disrespectful, but it's a weird decision

Muhtiman wrote:

Prish007 wrote:

]Is a draw low really beneficial. Since the field was dropped to 18 in 2015. Only 3 winners out of 7 have come from a draw below 15.
2015 draw 6
2016 draw 18
2017 draw 8
2018 draw 15
2019 draw 8
2020 draw 17
2021 draw 18
Seems like to be drawn on the outside has it advantages of not getting mixed up in all the scrimmaging for spots early on.

.......the narrowing of the track has really changed the dynamics of how the race is run.... as prior to this and when handicapping was not yet tampered with.... I recall the most winners came from the 10 or 11 draw and carried around 55kg....:unsure... but for now the race is wide open but do like the 10 and 12 draw and the weight that goes with it and will throw the up country grinder Puerto Manzano as he can take any amount of knocks should he get into a scrum on the inside...

Frodo wrote:

Bob Brogan wrote:

naresh wrote:

Rachel Vennikar will ride Red Saxon.

Riding overweight?

Delighted for her and i'm not being disrespectful, but it's a weird decision

I see in the Scotsville Computaform for tomorrow, her riding weight is listed at 53.5 kgs, so only 0.5 kg over; Mxothwa's riding weight is listed at 54 kgs - while Zapatillas is carded to carry 53 kgs :huh: :huh:

We all have our opinions on which horse should or should not be in the field; for me personally Second Base (118 and not a really convincing prep in the Jubilee) is the lucky one - I'm sure the connections of Russian Rock (120) are pretty miffed - rated 120 and a good prep in the Challenge - so hard to follow the logic of him not getting the nod ahead of SB

Also as I understand the conditions, Airways Law qualified as a 'preferential entry' - so again imo could be counted unlucky to not get in ahead of SB - Flying Carpet as a 'preferential entry' made the cut, but Airways Law not

The next question to be solved is 'where will the pace come from' - Pomp and Power ?

mr hawaii wrote:

Frodo wrote:

Bob Brogan wrote:

naresh wrote:

Rachel Vennikar will ride Red Saxon.

Riding overweight?

Delighted for her and i'm not being disrespectful, but it's a weird decision

I see in the Scotsville Computaform for tomorrow, her riding weight is listed at 53.5 kgs, so only 0.5 kg over; Mxothwa's riding weight is listed at 54 kgs - while Zapatillas is carded to carry 53 kgs :huh: :huh:

We all have our opinions on which horse should or should not be in the field; for me personally Second Base (118 and not a really convincing prep in the Jubilee) is the lucky one - I'm sure the connections of Russian Rock (120) are pretty miffed - rated 120 and a good prep in the Challenge - so hard to follow the logic of him not getting the nod ahead of SB

Also as I understand the conditions, Airways Law qualified as a 'preferential entry' - so again imo could be counted unlucky to not get in ahead of SB - Flying Carpet as a 'preferential entry' made the cut, but Airways Law not

The next question to be solved is 'where will the pace come from' - Pomp and Power ?

Second Base won a Gr2 2000m and a Gr 3 1800m - Russian Rock won a Graduation and has run 3 times over 1800m plus without a place - I doubt either could win and a place at best for Second Base - Kannemeyer did not even nom for the consolation but rather a 1600m on the day .

Frodo wrote:

mr hawaii wrote:

Frodo wrote:

Bob Brogan wrote:

naresh wrote:

Rachel Vennikar will ride Red Saxon.

Riding overweight?

Delighted for her and i'm not being disrespectful, but it's a weird decision

I see in the Scotsville Computaform for tomorrow, her riding weight is listed at 53.5 kgs, so only 0.5 kg over; Mxothwa's riding weight is listed at 54 kgs - while Zapatillas is carded to carry 53 kgs :huh: :huh:

We all have our opinions on which horse should or should not be in the field; for me personally Second Base (118 and not a really convincing prep in the Jubilee) is the lucky one - I'm sure the connections of Russian Rock (120) are pretty miffed - rated 120 and a good prep in the Challenge - so hard to follow the logic of him not getting the nod ahead of SB

Also as I understand the conditions, Airways Law qualified as a 'preferential entry' - so again imo could be counted unlucky to not get in ahead of SB - Flying Carpet as a 'preferential entry' made the cut, but Airways Law not

The next question to be solved is 'where will the pace come from' - Pomp and Power ?

Second Base won a Gr2 2000m and a Gr 3 1800m - Russian Rock won a Graduation and has run 3 times over 1800m plus without a place - I doubt either could win and a place at best for Second Base - Kannemeyer did not even nom for the consolation but rather a 1600m on the day .

We could argue till the cows come home - imo the most convincing argument you raise is that the stable may feel he is suspect over the trip - ability wise I think (despite the MR which favors RR) there is not much between them - last year in the Daily News SB beat RR by 0.3 lengths (with Flying Carpet behind both)