HONG KONG RACING 2018

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7 years 3 months ago
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i take that the race was over a distance but one race being quicker then class by 67 secs at the 800m is difficult to grasp considering they can travel more then 1 km in that time
im not understanding that unless reading it incorrectly

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7 years 3 months ago
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Heinrich that hkjk website is top class.Explanations for certain runs are there so we know exactly what happened in the running and why it happened.If only we had something like this here as it seems the racing correspondents really know their job and try and keep the racing fraternity up to date.

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heinrich wrote:
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heinrich wrote: explaining it will take to long.But read by Race results on Hkjc.....teetan offered the explanation. than if you watch the race again u will see it is so.also SI has a history of having no early pace. in my humble opinion...teetan did very well...especially given the frantic pace upfront
The pace was too slow..and second half of the field cant quicken enough to be in the finish

You mind if i give some constructive critism??? Anyways,you take it as you want. I like reading up on peoples posts to see if i can learn anything new,be it an amateur or an pro. We all can learn from each other. You are a decent HK tipster but i saw in the past you have 'no sense' of pace whatsoever. If you get that down...you will be VERY GOOD at HK tipping...

The Pace of the race was FRANTIC as i said...a VERY HOT/FAST PACE!!!! 67secs Faster than class at the 800m and 90secs faster at the 1200m. It was nothing to do with the pace of the race for the backmarkers too close off...infact the race suited them FAR FAR BETTER than the winner. Why they didnt get to him,ill leave to you as 'homework' Trust me once you understand that...u will improve your good SR even more. Thats why Sectionals are so valuable...it teaches us alot if we have the time to decipher them...the difficult part is ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDING them....understanding how races are tend to be run.

*Note...I hope this dont offend you in any way,im just trying to help you improve abit(not that i know alot myself...im an amateur aswell)

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Thank you Heinrich, im still learning the ropes i dont mind whatever criticism i get.
I actually ddnt watch the race or replay until this morning as i was hooked up with work and i jus used MY assumption that the pace was slow (usually the norm). From my own assessment on ysdays races the track was biased as only 1 race from the whole card (turf course) horses won from off the pace. So even when they go too fast its not easy to be in the finish when you sit at the back ONLY WHEN THE TRACK IS BIASED LIKEE YESTERDAY.
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durbs wrote: Heinrich that hkjk website is top class.Explanations for certain runs are there so we know exactly what happened in the running and why it happened.If only we had something like this here as it seems the racing correspondents really know their job and try and keep the racing fraternity up to date.

better than that you wont get anywhere in the world. The questioned teetan abt SI because when a horse doesnt deliver they look into it. They as honest and straightforward as can be over there.

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7 years 3 months ago
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mydada wrote: i take that the race was over a distance but one race being quicker then class by 67 secs at the 800m is difficult to grasp considering they can travel more then 1 km in that time
im not understanding that unless reading it incorrectly

lol. The Time over the 1st 800m was the 3rd fastest for this season....so it was a suicidal pace....Also,Everest is the only FRONTRUNNER to break the 47 second barrier over 1600m and still win the race...all other FRs ran near last when clearing 47 in the 1st 800m. So if you read between the lines...you will get surefire winners for the future.
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7 years 3 months ago
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eramutsamaya wrote:
heinrich wrote:
eramutsamaya wrote:
heinrich wrote: explaining it will take to long.But read by Race results on Hkjc.....teetan offered the explanation. than if you watch the race again u will see it is so.also SI has a history of having no early pace. in my humble opinion...teetan did very well...especially given the frantic pace upfront
The pace was too slow..and second half of the field cant quicken enough to be in the finish

You mind if i give some constructive critism??? Anyways,you take it as you want. I like reading up on peoples posts to see if i can learn anything new,be it an amateur or an pro. We all can learn from each other. You are a decent HK tipster but i saw in the past you have 'no sense' of pace whatsoever. If you get that down...you will be VERY GOOD at HK tipping...

The Pace of the race was FRANTIC as i said...a VERY HOT/FAST PACE!!!! 67secs Faster than class at the 800m and 90secs faster at the 1200m. It was nothing to do with the pace of the race for the backmarkers too close off...infact the race suited them FAR FAR BETTER than the winner. Why they didnt get to him,ill leave to you as 'homework' Trust me once you understand that...u will improve your good SR even more. Thats why Sectionals are so valuable...it teaches us alot if we have the time to decipher them...the difficult part is ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDING them....understanding how races are tend to be run.

*Note...I hope this dont offend you in any way,im just trying to help you improve abit(not that i know alot myself...im an amateur aswell)

happy studying

Thank you Heinrich, im still learning the ropes i dont mind whatever criticism i get.
I actually ddnt watch the race or replay until this morning as i was hooked up with work and i jus used MY assumption that the pace was slow (usually the norm). From my own assessment on ysdays races the track was biased as only 1 race from the whole card (turf course) horses won from off the pace. So even when they go too fast its not easy to be in the finish when you sit at the back ONLY WHEN THE TRACK IS BIASED LIKEE YESTERDAY.

yep...was biased too Frontrunners yesterday. Still gotta respect those that win fron the fast times thou,as it doesnt matter what the biased....sectional times will proof if the actual performance was good or just average. Theres so much to learn from the times each race...just a matter of getting to know HOW RACES ARE RUN. Its not easy,but certainly worth it...especially for those abit more serious abt the prospects of making a few bucks

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7 years 3 months ago
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Good comments guys. I am also still a newbie at Hong Kong racing but and is looking at the times more closely than before with all the information at hand.

One thing I have noticed is that on the last couple of race days some new course and class records have been set especially from front running types over route races...

TIME WARP over 2000m 25.02.2018

JOLLY GENE over 1800m 03.03.2018


Now I only need to learn how to capitalise on it...


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Also, I got a little over confident with SUN TOUCH winning the race before as they came out of the same race behind SIMPLY BRILLIANT but I did not take to much notice of ST winning his race from the front...

Should have been a pointer to EVEREST not getting pegged back in the last......



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Now a question for the guys knowing a little bit more about HK racing...

I have noticed that the She Tin course have different names e.g..
"C+3" Course
"C" Course
"A" Course
"B" Course

Can someone tell me what the difference is between these courses as the standard times remains the same for all the races?

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Andycap wrote: Now a question for the guys knowing a little bit more about HK racing...

I have noticed that the She Tin course have different names e.g..
"C+3" Course
"C" Course
"A" Course
"B" Course

Can someone tell me what the difference is between these courses as the standard times remains the same for all the races?

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standard times remains the same yes,as the run in for all 'tracks' on Sha Tin turf is the same. The diffrence comes with the width of the track.The 'A' course is the widest and the C+3 Course the narrowest. Ofcoz it makes a huge diffrence aswell...

Tip...watch the finishes closely on diffrent tracks and than you will start seeing exactly what the diffrence is.

The MAIN INGREDIENT to getting winners at HONG KONG is ....UNDERSTANDING HOW RACES tend to be run. Ask yourselves that question...that your knowledge abt racing in general will increase tenfold. Happy studying peoples
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Andycap wrote: Now a question for the guys knowing a little bit more about HK racing...

I have noticed that the She Tin course have different names e.g..
"C+3" Course
"C" Course
"A" Course
"B" Course

Can someone tell me what the difference is between these courses as the standard times remains the same for all the races?

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Different course names Is the RAIL position. This is not important with Shatin turf as the rail position doesnt affect the length of HOME STRAIGHT. Happy Valley C+3 rail position has the shortest HOME STRAIGHT by approx 35m (usually biased on front runners/draw 1&3 over 1200).
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Re: HONG KONG RACING 2018

7 years 3 months ago
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heinrich wrote:
durbs wrote: Heinrich that hkjk website is top class.Explanations for certain runs are there so we know exactly what happened in the running and why it happened.If only we had something like this here as it seems the racing correspondents really know their job and try and keep the racing fraternity up to date.

better than that you wont get anywhere in the world. The questioned teetan abt SI because when a horse doesnt deliver they look into it. They as honest and straightforward as can be over there.

Sacred Ibis is always a get back horse and as we noted earlier most get back.horses lost incl my NAP Harmony Hero. They were victims of biased race conditions and its not easy for jockey to CHANGE TACTICS to suit race conditions. Sometimes CHANGE OF TACTICS are triggered by Blinker/TT etc. Taking example for upcoming race on Happy Valley Race 3. My Honey is a get back horse but its now blinkered and TT, we shouldnt be shocked if it leads/sit handy in this race as demonstrated in its recent trials.
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