Raging Princess Race review

rob faux wrote:

Tipster wrote:

rob faux wrote:

Tipster wrote:

rob faux wrote:

Over the Air wrote: Tipster with the greatest of respect why should he stipes stand back when a jockey says he wants to object? Their job is to police racing not to wait to see if anyone else wants to object before them. In my opinion, should what you say be true, the answer should have been "we have seen the interference and are objecting - stand in the queue!"

Exactly..........any qualified stipe worth his position should be calling for a race review before the horses have even been pulled up.............what exactly are they waiting for unless they don't trust their own judgement?

if you look at OTA's first post he asked why they hadn't objected before they had pulled up and asked why they hadn't objected in the July - big difference between a race review and an objection - I'm sure the race review was called for immediately in the July.

Do you mean by the stipes ?

Yes, the stipes cant object before a race review. Regarding the procedure could I draw the following adage: if a shop owner requires ten oranges he will place an order, but if the supplier is at his shop and has the ten oranges in his truck the order is not required. In the same way a race review is there in order to decide whether an objection is necessary so if the stipes know there is going to be an objection the race review becomes meaningless and they move straight on to the enquiry. Regarding the objection procedure the stipes can lodge the objection aftercalling for the race review but if the jockey and/or trainer are interested in seeing the race review they are given the opportunity to object and even if the stipes were going to object themselves the objection is then announced as having been lodged by jockey and/or trainer. If no race review is called jockey or trainer can call for one and then obviously the decision to object rests solely with them. Imo it is seriously pedantic to think there is anything wrong with those procedures because the end result is the same.

No shit .......so the race review precedes an objection (I live and learn)..............So if during the race review it is concluded that an objection is warranted ,why would they wait ,because even if ,for whatever reason the connections don't object ,the stipes are surely ,by nature of their role ,obliged to object ,if the result is contrary to the rules of racing!..................and I would guess it isn't presumptious to suggest that an upheld objection was clearly a warranted one!
One difference of course is that if the stipes object timeously ,connections don't have to provide the deposit!!!!!!

Tipster wrote:

rob faux wrote:

Tipster wrote:

rob faux wrote:

Tipster wrote:

rob faux wrote:

Over the Air wrote: Tipster with the greatest of respect why should he stipes stand back when a jockey says he wants to object? Their job is to police racing not to wait to see if anyone else wants to object before them. In my opinion, should what you say be true, the answer should have been "we have seen the interference and are objecting - stand in the queue!"

Exactly..........any qualified stipe worth his position should be calling for a race review before the horses have even been pulled up.............what exactly are they waiting for unless they don't trust their own judgement?

if you look at OTA's first post he asked why they hadn't objected before they had pulled up and asked why they hadn't objected in the July - big difference between a race review and an objection - I'm sure the race review was called for immediately in the July.

Do you mean by the stipes ?

Yes, the stipes cant object before a race review. Regarding the procedure could I draw the following adage: if a shop owner requires ten oranges he will place an order, but if the supplier is at his shop and has the ten oranges in his truck the order is not required. In the same way a race review is there in order to decide whether an objection is necessary so if the stipes know there is going to be an objection the race review becomes meaningless and they move straight on to the enquiry. Regarding the objection procedure the stipes can lodge the objection aftercalling for the race review but if the jockey and/or trainer are interested in seeing the race review they are given the opportunity to object and even if the stipes were going to object themselves the objection is then announced as having been lodged by jockey and/or trainer. If no race review is called jockey or trainer can call for one and then obviously the decision to object rests solely with them. Imo it is seriously pedantic to think there is anything wrong with those procedures because the end result is the same.

No shit .......so the race review precedes an objection (I live and learn)..............So if during the race review it is concluded that an objection is warranted ,why would they wait ,because even if ,for whatever reason the connections don't object ,the stipes are surely ,by nature of their role ,obliged to object ,if the result is contrary to the rules of racing!..................and I would guess it isn't presumptious to suggest that an upheld objection was clearly a warranted one!
One difference of course is that if the stipes object timeously ,connections don't have to provide the deposit!!!!!!

Rob only the first word "yes" of that previous post was addressed to you as I'm well aware that you know everything about everything. Just spoken to a stipe on course and in fact when they are sitting together with the connections watching the review it is open ended and either one or the other can lodge the objection. For the info of others (not Rob he knows it already) only one stipe will lodge an objection and will then sit out when the other three deliberate which is why an objection officially lodged by the stipes can easily be overruled.

rob faux wrote:

Tipster wrote:

rob faux wrote:

Tipster wrote:

rob faux wrote:

Tipster wrote:

rob faux wrote:

Over the Air wrote: Tipster with the greatest of respect why should he stipes stand back when a jockey says he wants to object? Their job is to police racing not to wait to see if anyone else wants to object before them. In my opinion, should what you say be true, the answer should have been "we have seen the interference and are objecting - stand in the queue!"

Exactly..........any qualified stipe worth his position should be calling for a race review before the horses have even been pulled up.............what exactly are they waiting for unless they don't trust their own judgement?

if you look at OTA's first post he asked why they hadn't objected before they had pulled up and asked why they hadn't objected in the July - big difference between a race review and an objection - I'm sure the race review was called for immediately in the July.

Do you mean by the stipes ?

Yes, the stipes cant object before a race review. Regarding the procedure could I draw the following adage: if a shop owner requires ten oranges he will place an order, but if the supplier is at his shop and has the ten oranges in his truck the order is not required. In the same way a race review is there in order to decide whether an objection is necessary so if the stipes know there is going to be an objection the race review becomes meaningless and they move straight on to the enquiry. Regarding the objection procedure the stipes can lodge the objection aftercalling for the race review but if the jockey and/or trainer are interested in seeing the race review they are given the opportunity to object and even if the stipes were going to object themselves the objection is then announced as having been lodged by jockey and/or trainer. If no race review is called jockey or trainer can call for one and then obviously the decision to object rests solely with them. Imo it is seriously pedantic to think there is anything wrong with those procedures because the end result is the same.

No shit .......so the race review precedes an objection (I live and learn)..............So if during the race review it is concluded that an objection is warranted ,why would they wait ,because even if ,for whatever reason the connections don't object ,the stipes are surely ,by nature of their role ,obliged to object ,if the result is contrary to the rules of racing!..................and I would guess it isn't presumptious to suggest that an upheld objection was clearly a warranted one!
One difference of course is that if the stipes object timeously ,connections don't have to provide the deposit!!!!!!

Rob only the first word "yes" of that previous post was addressed to you as I'm well aware that you know everything about everything. Just spoken to a stipe on course and in fact when they are sitting together with the connections watching the review it is open ended and either one or the other can lodge the objection. For the info of others (not Rob he knows it already) only one stipe will lodge an objection and will then sit out when the other three deliberate which is why an objection officially lodged by the stipes can easily be overruled.

Because you happen to write about racing does not entitle you to talk down to the forum.............many racegoers here with a very good knowledge of the industry ,but just happened to have a real job!

Tipster wrote:

rob faux wrote:

Tipster wrote:

rob faux wrote:

Tipster wrote:

rob faux wrote:

Tipster wrote:

rob faux wrote:

Over the Air wrote: Tipster with the greatest of respect why should he stipes stand back when a jockey says he wants to object? Their job is to police racing not to wait to see if anyone else wants to object before them. In my opinion, should what you say be true, the answer should have been "we have seen the interference and are objecting - stand in the queue!"

Exactly..........any qualified stipe worth his position should be calling for a race review before the horses have even been pulled up.............what exactly are they waiting for unless they don't trust their own judgement?

if you look at OTA's first post he asked why they hadn't objected before they had pulled up and asked why they hadn't objected in the July - big difference between a race review and an objection - I'm sure the race review was called for immediately in the July.

Do you mean by the stipes ?

Yes, the stipes cant object before a race review. Regarding the procedure could I draw the following adage: if a shop owner requires ten oranges he will place an order, but if the supplier is at his shop and has the ten oranges in his truck the order is not required. In the same way a race review is there in order to decide whether an objection is necessary so if the stipes know there is going to be an objection the race review becomes meaningless and they move straight on to the enquiry. Regarding the objection procedure the stipes can lodge the objection aftercalling for the race review but if the jockey and/or trainer are interested in seeing the race review they are given the opportunity to object and even if the stipes were going to object themselves the objection is then announced as having been lodged by jockey and/or trainer. If no race review is called jockey or trainer can call for one and then obviously the decision to object rests solely with them. Imo it is seriously pedantic to think there is anything wrong with those procedures because the end result is the same.

No shit .......so the race review precedes an objection (I live and learn)..............So if during the race review it is concluded that an objection is warranted ,why would they wait ,because even if ,for whatever reason the connections don't object ,the stipes are surely ,by nature of their role ,obliged to object ,if the result is contrary to the rules of racing!..................and I would guess it isn't presumptious to suggest that an upheld objection was clearly a warranted one!
One difference of course is that if the stipes object timeously ,connections don't have to provide the deposit!!!!!!

Rob only the first word "yes" of that previous post was addressed to you as I'm well aware that you know everything about everything. Just spoken to a stipe on course and in fact when they are sitting together with the connections watching the review it is open ended and either one or the other can lodge the objection. For the info of others (not Rob he knows it already) only one stipe will lodge an objection and will then sit out when the other three deliberate which is why an objection officially lodged by the stipes can easily be overruled.

Because you happen to write about racing does not entitle you to talk down to the forum.............many racegoers here with a very good knowledge of the industry ,but just happened to have a real job!

You're incredible ... i'm not talking down to them I'm sharing knowledge which is the purpose of a forum but first you chose to get sarcastic then you belittle ... always the same when you come on here with good intentions, RF comes along and mudslings, adios

Over the Air wrote: Tipster my terminology and procedural occurance into how an objection unfolds was perhaps incorrect, but the fact remains that the stipes should be far more proactive in their control of racing. Is this perhaps not a situation that the stipes are unwilling to object/call for a race review for some or other reason? Like being afraid of being seen to be getting it wrong?

I concur with Rob. The forum is a place to debate these things. Educate people. Not act like a pompous ass.

Pirhobeta wrote: Tipster, I read it in the vein that you intended...I never knew that the stipe lodging the objection then sits out...not really logical.... :ohmy: