The runner up made her debut last year in a feature race when beaten 6L at level weights by top juvenile Just Reckless. The line horse was probably the third horse, Quiet Winter MR 80. Perfect Miracle won as she liked in a very good time. 1 second faster than Clevor Trevor (MR 90) on the same day. 1 second slower than older horse Slinky Mapimpi in the MR100 race that day, which puts them on par with the WFA difference.
The 95 thus looks about right.
This filly will run in feature races this season, and her MR wont hold her back.
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While i have much respect for how you understand the Merit Racing system Peter, as well as many other's on this site, I cannot agree with the rationale of giving a Maiden winner that rating.
I suppose this all depends on which perspective you are looking at this from.
Logic would dictate that you cannot look at another horse that made a debut last year in feature race, it didn't win then and neither did it now. The winning time in a Maiden race is good for stats but if that is what we use then that should be so for all races and then you will just see jocks dropping their hands even more. Rating this filly at 95 just stops it from winning for the next year unless she is exceptional. However this type of rating is common which is why you have 3 year olds carrying more weight than 5 time winning 5 year olds in races. Why not allow this filly to win at least once out of the Maiden ranks before this type of MR is allocated?
Owners are getting tired of having a Maiden winner which they then race for over a year just to get the second win because of the MR. I am one of them, the idea that they must be good but may take 6 - 12 months to confirm, that they are not, means that someone has to pay to prove that theory.
Perfume Power was raised from 81 to 86 after winning a Maiden race on Sunday in a 5 horse field. Three horses were scratched and the second horse on weight for age and rating ran exactly to rating. That being so, if they both ran to their rating then what the hell is the reason for the increase in rating? other than to penalize her next run...
The obsession we have for the Asian Racing system for an average of maybe 5 out of 3000 horses being exported is lost on me. The way we carry on is like we are exporting 20% of our runners to Hong Kong. There are few races left that haven't been down graded and there are more on the cards, so rather than working with owners and trainers we are hell bent on making races a non-event. It will be interesting to see how this plays out and how many small owners stay in racing.
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Its defnitely total bullshit that young horses are getting lugged with Huge MR outta the Maidens. I recently compared the ST of ECHO CHECK, PERFECT MIRACLE and WARM RECEPTION. They all were very very impressive on the clock. Their MR ratings is very high thou and compared to that of a young horse like JVG is ridiculous. I know JVG was only a 2yo last season but he atleast ran some mini features when being lumped with 97(has it increased since July) Anyways....Echo Check runs tnrw while out if all of them....The Real Freak might just be WARM RECEPTION.
Methinks that the Handicapper is not the problem. He is consistent and applies the principles correctly, which is his job.
But, we obviously do have a problem. The solution might lay in the following -
1)Get rid of the WFA table/system and simply apply Nett Ratings.
2)Allocate the EXACT SAME rating to all maiden winners.
Then the Handicapper steps in after the first run after the maiden win.
This could stabilize things and will also give the Handicapper more info when a rating needs to be applied.
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Imo .... I think we need to give any horse winning a Maiden a rating ... but I don't think willy nilly applying ratings compared to what he/she beat is right; we do have a Handicapper (a few) - so let them apply their minds (not taking into account what he/she has beaten by how far) - MRs should be subjective until proven - and 'we' would still get it wrong, but more accurate ?
I may not have the knowledge however in the past we had more Novice & Graduation plates or starting in the D or C div..... now we have Maiden winners with Class 3 and up ratings. Imagine in years gone by a maiden winner going straight to an A Div race.....
The problem is not the handicapping system. The problem is the program. The operators are obsessed with handicap races.
Their excuse is that they can’t fill conditions races. They have even bastardized the system by putting on maiden and novice handicaps.
The solution is simple. Do not allow any horse to run in a handicap race until it has had at least 6 runs in total, or two wins. Then program sufficient Novice, Graduation and Progress races which will then be filled by recent winners. Make sure that in the August-December period there are Novice and Graduations restricted to 3yos, especially over longer trips as the WFA disadvantage is too great in the early part of the season. Make sure that there are enough maiden races over a variety of distances, particularly in the first half of the season, to ensure that horses have sufficient opportunity to win their maiden sooner rather than later..
The decent youngsters can then get their 2 or 3 wins before they take on older horses in handicaps.
Then remove all the stupid rules which cause the handicappers to allocate wrong official ratings.
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I am sure that the Clanners are right in terms of the MR feedback and thank you.
The reality is that we are not hearing anything from the Operators and yesterday as an example we had, UBUKHWEBEZANA a 5yr old mare, MR 84 win for 5th time beating a 3 yr old ALANNAH, a one time winner, MR 96 by 1,2 lengths. UBUKHWEBEZANA won once as three year old, twice as a 4 year old and now twice as a 5 year old.
COPACABANA a 5yr old wins for a 4th time, MR 67 beating Willow Gem, a one time winner, 3yr old MR 83. COPACABANA won once as a three year old, twice as a 4yr old and now as a 5yr old.
For the record, i have no axe to grind with the horses, trainers or owners above, they are making use of the system available and the trainers are doing a great job of earning for their clients.
I just do not see why any owner wants to race a horse for its 3 year old career once it has won its maiden? The current system, unless you have an above average horse, is merit rated out of competition for 12 months after winning a maiden race. This is not sustainable especially based on the horses in training sale prices.
Buy a horse for 250k, which is considered average nowadays, pay for 18 months, hopefully win a maiden race then wait another 12 months for another win. That would mean 400k for a 50k maiden win and then another 140k for the next 50k win. Alternatively enter into the Online sale, sell for anything from 30-50k, fillies/mares bought by breeders who want to sell their baby back to you for 300k.
Maybe i am being too simplistic however the above just does not seem sustainable.
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