NHRA are worrying about deaths

Nhra at it best worrying about Paper work and not the Real Deal

Bob Brogan wrote: Nhra at it best worrying about Paper work and not the Real Deal

To be fair this helps owners - There are many many cases where trainers have billed owners for months for dead horses

Mr H, you can't be serious? Does that really happen???

Lionel wrote: Mr H, you can't be serious? Does that really happen???

there have been posts on the site before from owners confirming this

mr hawaii wrote:

Lionel wrote: Mr H, you can't be serious? Does that really happen???

there have been posts on the site before from owners confirming this

With that sort of integrity, its a tall ask expecting the game to be straight...

Lionel wrote:

mr hawaii wrote:

Lionel wrote: Mr H, you can't be serious? Does that really happen???

there have been posts on the site before from owners confirming this

With that sort of integrity, its a tall ask expecting the game to be straight...

only a few bad apples in this regard to be fair

mr hawaii wrote:

Lionel wrote:

mr hawaii wrote:

Lionel wrote: Mr H, you can't be serious? Does that really happen???

there have been posts on the site before from owners confirming this

With that sort of integrity, its a tall ask expecting the game to be straight...

only a few bad apples in this regard to be fair

I'm sure it is Mr H. But as they say, all it takes is one bad apple....let alone a few...

I hope I'm wrong

Lionel wrote:

mr hawaii wrote:

Lionel wrote:

mr hawaii wrote:

Lionel wrote: Mr H, you can't be serious? Does that really happen???

there have been posts on the site before from owners confirming this

With that sort of integrity, its a tall ask expecting the game to be straight...

only a few bad apples in this regard to be fair

I'm sure it is Mr H. But as they say, all it takes is one bad apple....let alone a few...

I hope I'm wrong

It's the kind of thing that Honest Trainers(who are way in the majority) , when aware, will notify authorities to protect their profession.

Dear Mr Hyde

I note with interest your warnings to trainers to inform you of the death of a horse under rule 10.5. This is a deadly serious rule if you would excuse the pun. Just imagine, a trainer nominating a dead horse, that really isn't on. Whilst on the subject of rules, could I request that you focus some attention on the following rule, also falling under 10.5 that you and your employees have been spectacularly redundant in applying. We wouldn't want you to give the impression that you only police rules where you can bully trainers into submission, would we? From the looks of things, unlike yourself, some of your stuff could do with getting off their arses on a far more regular basis. My suggestion would be that the following is looked at:

10.5 A TRAINER, ASSISTANT TRAINER or STABLE EMPLOYEE (where applicable):

10.5.7 shall, in the case of a HORSE which has not raced before or which has not raced for a
period of 90 DAYS or more at the time of the race, prior to entry day advise the SB in his
RACING DISTRICT of the name of such HORSE which he intends to enter and shall, when
required by the SB in terms of RULE 4.2.7 and prior to final declarations, satisfy the SB
that a HORSE is fit to take part in a RACE for which it is to be or has been entered. The
HORSE shall be required to run at not less than half pace over a distance of not less than
600m or as determined by the SB;


Get your house in order before you start with the trivial shit son.

This rule is obviously not being adhered to by everybody. I assume that since the horse movement rule has been enforced, this side of things had improved. The death of a horse is an emotional time and after this occurs, the Trainer wants to put it behind him or many may be under the impression that it's not a horse movement as such, so do not notify NHA.

Death of a horse is obviously important for systems updates and the relevant statistics.

Overall, I think that the NHA are showing us that they are interested in keeping good records and that they are doing their jobs. But , like so many in racing, they also appear to be damned if they do and damned if they don't...

As for the 90 day rule, the following applies -
1) I know that it is being looked at, in terms of possible revising the time frame of 90 days. There are many reasons for this, including the various Seasons and course conditions as well as vaccination periods vs programme etc etc
2) As for first timers, there is always a Stipe at stalls certification and horses are watched when they gallop.
3)Horse's with chronic or serious unsoundness issues are required to gallop/consult with NHA vet, as directed to Trainer by NHA Vet.

Over the Air wrote: Dear Mr Hyde

I note with interest your warnings to trainers to inform you of the death of a horse under rule 10.5. This is a deadly serious rule if you would excuse the pun. Just imagine, a trainer nominating a dead horse, that really isn't on. Whilst on the subject of rules, could I request that you focus some attention on the following rule, also falling under 10.5 that you and your employees have been spectacularly redundant in applying. We wouldn't want you to give the impression that you only police rules where you can bully trainers into submission, would we? From the looks of things, unlike yourself, some of your stuff could do with getting off their arses on a far more regular basis. My suggestion would be that the following is looked at:

10.5 A TRAINER, ASSISTANT TRAINER or STABLE EMPLOYEE (where applicable):

10.5.7 shall, in the case of a HORSE which has not raced before or which has not raced for a
period of 90 DAYS or more at the time of the race, prior to entry day advise the SB in his
RACING DISTRICT of the name of such HORSE which he intends to enter and shall, when
required by the SB in terms of RULE 4.2.7 and prior to final declarations, satisfy the SB
that a HORSE is fit to take part in a RACE for which it is to be or has been entered. The
HORSE shall be required to run at not less than half pace over a distance of not less than
600m or as determined by the SB;


Get your house in order before you start with the trivial shit son.

It is patently obvious that there is absolutely no regard for this rule Trainers openly proclaim in public - sometimes only after the race - as defense, That the horse is aimed for another opportunity, is not fit and in need of the run, or is just having an easy-look-see run Our race tracks have become an extension of the training facility - sometimes 90% of the field is aimed at another race A.K.A (heritage) - meaning that the trainers would not want the horse to be fully extended so soon before the target race.

This is absolute nonsense - daylight robbery. Force trainers to do their job, and prepare their athletes as best they can.

Many horse's, like boxers, rugby players etc just cannot peak only from Training. You cannot run a race every day in Training. If you do not break the horse, there will be nothing left of the horse. Just the facts.

As for Barrier Trials, in Singapore they have to run a 1000m Official Barrier Trial in 66 seconds or less. And what is that telling you about ability...?

Sometimes I wonder if we don't confuse horseracing with scalectrix.... form is definitely not the only line and form works out wrong more often than not, all over the World. Thats just racing.

Many years ago, with very little form readily available, Punters went racing and relied on betting movements and info on course. All of the Trainers that I know from that era had no problem with being open and honest with the public on course, even nowadays. By then they have had their bet and are happy to share.

So, many people spend a lot of time studying form. This is cool. It does definitely help. But a trip to the course will add a lot of extra help, probably make a lot more profits !

Imagine coming to the course having studied your form , finding a nice priced horse and having the Trainer confirm your work....