Visser Guilty

louisg Wrote:

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> Ok, so here goes...
> Firstly, I have been training for more than 20
> years and have not had a positive. Should I have
> one, better I stop training.
>
> Secondly, Haupie, get your facts straight -
> prednisolone is really a therapeutic drug, used
> mainly for upper respiratory disease. It is long
> acting, so can be picked up long after it has done
> it's job in the system. And if u are not aware,
> respiratory disease is the single biggest disease
> effecting horse racing worldwide. Prednisolone
> will not enhance performance.
>
> Thirdly, Mr H - Onderstepoort is nothing but a big
> joke nowadays, their main profiteer being a very
> outspoken , well known vet... All tests are done
> by NHA 's lab, which is World class. No need for
> Onderstepoort. Don't forget that certain tests do
> take longer than others and then there is the
> finding and appeal process, as per our
> Constitution in SA.
>
> Fourthly, Ziets, as I am being straight and honest
> now....How many Trainers have the distinction of
> bringing 8 horses to the course and then having 4
> scratched at the start because they are cripple?
> How many Trainers have put Lucas Bester on a horse
> , so cripple, that it breaks both legs in the race
> ? And who exactly cared enough about that jock,
> just before Christmas to help him feed his wife
> and two children ? I was the one who cared enough
> for Lucas. You work for the other one..... So,
> please, when Deon Visser gets it wrong on a
> withdrawal of an upper respiratory disease
> treating drug, go and get your own house in order,
> before shouting your mouth off.
>
> And maybe THE GOOD will say the same as me. Enough
> of the bullshit for now, please.

Louis Deon Visser never in his life trained Castle Rock - this is the Kim trainer - and pred is used for many things - my two dogs were treated with it for skin cancer and Sharpei Fever so it is not a drug used primarily for respiratory disorders - I have known many humans that have used it for Lupis too

It doesn't matter which Visser (even though Deon might soon apply for a new surname. ..)
The facts remain.
And the good horsemen ( apologies Dorrie !) - horsepeople will prevail.

Mr H - I dont treat dogs. I refer to horses. There is no performance enhancement and Onderstepoort are a waste of time, despite what you want to believe. I do this for a living.

Top posts louisg!

Wonder if he will get Polly Nelson to defend him

easy Wrote:

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> Ziets,
>
> Whats happening....you going to answer Goosens
> statement....
>
>
> You stick to Human....you keep judging
> others....and keep alienating potential
> owners....thats the way to go.
>
> After all....you can always revert back to
> punting...as soon as you ready to launch your
> tipping service i publish the paddy power
> Statements from your " successful" adventures on
> my paddy power

Pot,Kettle,Black

We use prednisolone , strictly by a vet , as it is a S4 drug . for a range of problems

There is ,
Prednisolone 1% Kela , Injection . Classification C14.2 Corticosteroids . for the suppression of inflammatory reactions
.and also
Prednisolone 5 mg tablet.

Lg i think you didnt read the nha media release the drug was never entered as being adminisfered by a vet in the treatment register that we as trainers have to religously keep up 2 date so what that means either the trainer administered it or somebody jumped the fence and as for upper resp hoolaboola me and u know that rooidoppie are not only effective for that it also elevate the glucose levels in horses giving painrelief and an elevation of euphoria levels bout 6 months ago we received a letter from the nha informing us that they have set new level thresholds for the same drug that this trainer got caught for

louisg Wrote:

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> Ok, so here goes...
> Firstly, I have been training for more than 20
> years and have not had a positive. Should I have
> one, better I stop training.
>
> Secondly, Haupie, get your facts straight -
> prednisolone is really a therapeutic drug, used
> mainly for upper respiratory disease. It is long
> acting, so can be picked up long after it has done
> it's job in the system. And if u are not aware,
> respiratory disease is the single biggest disease
> effecting horse racing worldwide. Prednisolone
> will not enhance performance.
>
> Thirdly, Mr H - Onderstepoort is nothing but a big
> joke nowadays, their main profiteer being a very
> outspoken , well known vet... All tests are done
> by NHA 's lab, which is World class. No need for
> Onderstepoort. Don't forget that certain tests do
> take longer than others and then there is the
> finding and appeal process, as per our
> Constitution in SA.
>
> Fourthly, Ziets, as I am being straight and honest
> now....How many Trainers have the distinction of
> bringing 8 horses to the course and then having 4
> scratched at the start because they are cripple?
> How many Trainers have put Lucas Bester on a horse
> , so cripple, that it breaks both legs in the race
> ? And who exactly cared enough about that jock,
> just before Christmas to help him feed his wife
> and two children ? I was the one who cared enough
> for Lucas. You work for the other one..... So,
> please, when Deon Visser gets it wrong on a
> withdrawal of an upper respiratory disease
> treating drug, go and get your own house in order,
> before shouting your mouth off.
>
> And maybe THE GOOD will say the same as me. Enough
> of the bullshit for now, please.


Louis, where must I go to see what facts I got wrong? You attacked my (admittedly ignorant posts) saying I need to get my facts right. I said absolutely nothing about the drug or its effects. Please hilite the offensive part of my post and I will be the 1st to apologosize.

Thank you however for the info about the drugs. Very insightful.

As a trainer who has been around a while, please advise how often testing happens? Is every winner tested, or are only random tests done?

Solu delta cortef active igredient prednisolone soduim succinate delivers a fast acting anti inflammantory effect

Rockspider, herewith my opinions on this one, based on my studies, a lot of which was a good few years ago and could be outdated, as much as I doubt it :-
1)The NHRA release referred to prednisolone only.
2)There are many derivatives or brand names which contain prednisalone, not only solu delta cortef (sdc).
3)When used as an anti inflammatory drug, Prednisolone primarily prevents the release of substances in the body that cause inflammation.
4)As an anti inflammatory, it will only be fully effective in the body for about 6 hours. We know that thereafter, the half life deteriorates quite rapidly, and is excreted to lower than the threshold at about 48hours, which is why vets will not treat a runner within 48 hours of competition with sdc.
5)Prednisolone tablets, however, have some derivatives which have a withdrawal of up to 21 days.
6)The real uses for prednisolone are as follows :-
6.1 - it is a steroid, short acting.
6.2 - designed and used to treat allergic reactions, skin conditions, psoriasis, arthritus, lupus, breathing disorders.
6.3 - whilst it does have anti inflammatory effects, it is actually a very short term suppressant of inflammation and many far superior drugs are on the market for that purpose.
6.4 - it is widely used to treat COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease).
6.5 - there is a definite place for this drug which treats COPD, when the single biggest challenge facing Trainers worldwide is EIPH (exercise induced pulmonary hemmorrage).

Obviously, the drug must be prescribed by your vet and used to treat and cure a horse and not to try and race on. We use solu delta cortef for urticaria (skin allergies) mainly and when all else fails, we have had it prescribed for a horse which coughs chronically. The goal there is to determine whether the cough is allergy related and the drug is never used in the long term.

Haupie, maybe I read you wrong. Apologies. Reading further into the thread, my blood boils when I read how ignorant certain trainers can be. Exactly how stupid I would be, the day I viewed sdc as an anti inflammatory, rather than a therapeutic drug.....

Kimberley is clearly fcuked, as Trainers there are so busy attacking each other at every opportunity and to me, its just a matter of time before the farewell over there.

As for testing, every winner is tested. Also, other runners in same race may be tested at random. Last week, at Vaal, race 3, the entire field was tested ( samples taken.)

Thank you Louis. Learnt a lot form this thread