Visser Guilty

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Now maybe The Good can answer this - so you(the good ) used "Voltarin" at a cost of was it 35k? Yet in this case a steroid was not written in the Vet Book - Mr Zackey got a very large fine for playing Vet now we have a case of a fine less than the wage the Platinum Miners are fighting for . This drug I know well as I have often been the administrator of this for my terminal dogs(on Veterinary orders) . I think the NHRA should test weekly in this place and root out the players that put money ahead of the Horse!! Disgusting

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> good ) used "Voltarin" at a cost of was it 35k?
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> Vet Book - Mr Zackey got a very large fine for
> playing Vet now we have a case of a fine less than
> the wage the Platinum Miners are fighting for .
> This drug I know well as I have often been the
> administrator of this for my terminal dogs(on
> Veterinary orders) . I think the NHRA should test
> weekly in this place and root out the players that
> put money ahead of the Horse!! Disgusting


Mr H, I am not involved in racing other than a punter, but I am onvolved in school sport. There is absolutely no testing happening in schools because the bodies in charge say it is too expensive to test athletes and rugby players because it is too expensive. Don't you think this is also a consideration for the horse authorities?

only the tip of an iceberg....the authorities have their knives out for certain possible dopers and will do random testing unexpectedly..... hope they hit them hard and catch all the greedy scum doping trainers...time for the playing field to be levelled for all ,so that the honest guys also have the same chance.... its an open secret who they are ....just look at the stats and its easy to spot them.....
and hopefully the honest trainers are fedup enough to open their mouths and tell authorities what they know ....

Ziets, why are they all keeping their mouths shut? Is there intmidation?

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> Mr H, I am not involved in racing other than a
> punter, but I am onvolved in school sport. There
> is absolutely no testing happening in schools
> because the bodies in charge say it is too
> expensive to test athletes and rugby players
> because it is too expensive. Don't you think this
> is also a consideration for the horse authorities?

It could be - I don't know the cost of tests BUT hell Ondersterpoort is world class(AHS vac etc) so in all these years we should step it up and test quickly to protect the athlete(horse)- I believe it can take up to two years to test a human for alcohol levels using the State Lab but two weeks in a private Lab so perhaps that is an avenue to exploit.

I'm more concerned about the reason the drugs are used - I believe drugs cannot make a horse run faster but CAN make them run through the Pain threshold which is genetically built in to stop the animal from doing damage to itself. In Kimberley those horses have been through the grinder before landing there so their inherent ability is exposed. The only reason you would medicate in this fashion(Preds are often used to counter Auto immune disease and to counter inflammation) is to get them to break the pain barrier and thus injure themselves. I have seen my dogs have raging anger and swollen bellies from this drug(many other side effects too). The difference is my dogs were given the meds to enhance their lives not for monetary gain. Cortisone is a good drug for certain conditions but really I don't think horses that would improve in condition if they were rested or retired should be given them as a quick fix.

fuck knows haupie.....dont think its chommie chommie but really dont know why dont they have the balls to tell everybody but dont have the balls to tell authorities so that they know when to visit certain stables and expose, fine , and hopefully get rid of the cheating fuckers.....
i know of 5 kimberley trainers that read abc daily but why they dont want to help levelling the playing field i really dont know.....

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Couldn't agree more - should have been a heavier penalty / fine

......fine may be low as this is an out of competition random test.....not illegal to use out of competition if this drug if kept in a register.....may not have had it in the register or had a vet administer it so a fine is justified.....The Good had his horse win on Voltaren and was found post race thus the higher fine......-

.....also find it quiet ironic that they go around looking for these mild anti-inflammatories when there is still at the moment a weaning period for really hard steroids that are NHA sanctioned to be used until mid year.....so if they found them they could do f@kol.....not even report on them....and here we have a slight misdemeanour where a oke is using something much milder and out of racing and getting a slap on the wrists for doing so.....:S

Ok, so here goes...
Firstly, I have been training for more than 20 years and have not had a positive. Should I have one, better I stop training.

Secondly, Haupie, get your facts straight - prednisolone is really a therapeutic drug, used mainly for upper respiratory disease. It is long acting, so can be picked up long after it has done it's job in the system. And if u are not aware, respiratory disease is the single biggest disease effecting horse racing worldwide. Prednisolone will not enhance performance.

Thirdly, Mr H - Onderstepoort is nothing but a big joke nowadays, their main profiteer being a very outspoken , well known vet... All tests are done by NHA 's lab, which is World class. No need for Onderstepoort. Don't forget that certain tests do take longer than others and then there is the finding and appeal process, as per our Constitution in SA.

Fourthly, Ziets, as I am being straight and honest now....How many Trainers have the distinction of bringing 8 horses to the course and then having 4 scratched at the start because they are cripple? How many Trainers have put Lucas Bester on a horse , so cripple, that it breaks both legs in the race ? And who exactly cared enough about that jock, just before Christmas to help him feed his wife and two children ? I was the one who cared enough for Lucas. You work for the other one..... So, please, when Deon Visser gets it wrong on a withdrawal of an upper respiratory disease treating drug, go and get your own house in order, before shouting your mouth off.

And maybe THE GOOD will say the same as me. Enough of the bullshit for now, please.

guys which Visser are we talking about Jaap or Deon? or both im confused?

Ziets,

Whats happening....you going to answer Goosens statement....


You stick to Human....you keep judging others....and keep alienating potential owners....thats the way to go.

After all....you can always revert back to punting...as soon as you ready to launch your tipping service i publish the paddy power
Statements from your " successful" adventures on my paddy power account