World of Sport follows suit

Flash Harry Wrote:

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> ItsAllOver Wrote:
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> > Flash Harry Wrote:
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> > > louisg Wrote:
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> > FLASH your ENGLISH is worse than anyones MATH,
> you
> > seem to have a go at all the wrong people. You
> > might be good with NUMBERS but LETTERS aint
> your
> > strong point.
> >
> > CAPICE
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> Itsallover how is your greek malakka? may be we
> talk that and see how do you do?
>
> let us start the discussion ask lucky for
> translate
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> na sou sheso sta moutra -D

Prefer Arabic being a LEB myself "illyindeenik" -D

what amazes my is how some have a go at the bookies but Phumelela offer fark all back to the punter...:S

Oh wow the bookies are be so kind in reimbursing you guys just this once but for the next 10 years they will screw you over and over again with their limited payout rules, late payments, under pricing of horses. The bookies make millions a year. Have you ever seen a bookie go to work on a bicycle (expect to get rid of the fat around their over indulged tummys?)

chicken 'n chips Wrote:

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> Oh wow the bookies are be so kind in reimbursing
> you guys just this once but for the next 10 years
> they will screw you over and over again with their
> limited payout rules, late payments, under pricing
> of horses. The bookies make millions a year. Have
> you ever seen a bookie go to work on a bicycle
> (expect to get rid of the fat around their over
> indulged tummys?)


you obviously got the badge CNC....()

RACING GURU Wrote:

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> LG...i have been long enough in the game to know
> how to get on and with who to get on with as far
> as limits are concerned....no body in this town
> can teach me about :"getting on"....i got onto a
> horse ,first timer...at 4/1 for over 200 000
> without shortening it......but when it was race
> time...all panic buttons were pressed....how i got
> on...i will reveal....because i have other ideas
> in mind...on an open forum....
>
> i find a game where only 2 results are
> possible...normally i like to find a cricket
> game..but i dont bet on the out come of the
> game...because our bookies still need to learn
> about percentages...and i want to get on with
> losing the bare minumum..so lets take today for
> instance...the dolphins are playing the cobras..at
> 4pm or so....i wpould have gone into the rooms at
> about 11 am...and bet on the 'MARKET " WHICH SAYS
> COIN TOSS....NOW NORMALLY BOOKIES HAVE THIS MARKET
> RIGHT....THEY NORMALLY BET 0.95/1 THE PAIR...SO I
> AM PREPARED TO LOSE 5 %....i start taking doubles
> 0.95/1 cobras...onto my 4/1 shot for
> tommorrow...double works out 7.75/1...BUT i take
> it with both teams..a grand each...mill
> around...take it again...take it agian at anothet
> counter for 500 etc....by the time 4 pm comes i
> am averaging 3.9 the horse...but even that is
> waived..because most bookies have a built in
> stretch eg marshalls will give 4.3/1 off a 4/1..so
> i am back to 4/1....reality kicks in with them
> when they put in the result of the coin
> toss...then they look at the next leg...and then
> panic sets in..but i am already on...
>
>
> coming back to open bets p6...i will never take it
> with the bookie...if the net pool is over 1
> million..anything under...like a kimberley meeting
> of a pool of 700000..i will not take it on the
> tote i will always play that with the
> bookie...mauritius pa ,p6 jp....only open
> bets...because i could never reach their ceiling
> limit anyway...but i also have the chance of
> winning the whole pool without altering
> dividends...so there is no hard and fast rule of
> where u should take,...decipher and on each
> situation,check where u r going...that is with the
> pools
>
> another thing.....i have a good thing in
> mauritius...6/10...cant lose....i will play with
> the rules...normally the place pool is around 20
> k...so what do i do...i take the same modus
> operendi..double the cricket toss onto tote place
> the 6/10 the next day...bookies clerks laugh at
> me....each ticket for no more than 1k each...thats
> taken early....a minute before race time..i put 3k
> (depending what the size of the pool is at the
> time) on the other 7 horses(assuming its a 8 horse
> race)....place dividends manipulated...favourite
> gonna pay nothing less than 4 to 5 rand a
> place...could be more...and collect form
> bookie/s...120k....for an investment of 30 +
> 21k...but i am gonna get back at least 6
> k..because 2 other horse have to fill the first 3
> anyway...

RG you method got got me thinking and I started looking around
and I want to hear your opinion on the following method:
you said to chose to markets were there could only be 2 choices so i looked at tennis and want to use the following example

being played tomorrow nadal v berndricht (just an example, i know nadal is very much unbeatable)
Nadal 1/5 and berndricht 32/10
so if i could find a horse on Sunday that can win @ 4/1
the double will be as follows with Nadal 5/1 and Berndricht 20/1
I noticed a few upsets in tennis lately and should B win i got 20/1 on 4/1 horse and should N win I got 5/1 which is still a 25% extra
do you think this a good way to go?

Flash Harry Wrote:

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> louisg Wrote:
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> > Refunds are easy for the bookies who just the
> > other day, only paid 25% of their limit
> instead
> > of 25% of the dividend, which was still lower
> than
> > their advertised limit..... :X
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> louis math is no your strong point i see you no
> understand what the rule is. let the stupid try
> help the clever. 500000 is maximum the bookie pay.
> these is pay if the punter catch the ticket full
> and tote dividend is 500000 or higher. if the
> percentage is catch then the percentage is pay of
> the dividend to the max base of 500000. so if the
> p6 pay 1 million the base become 500000 for the
> bookie and he pay the percentage caught.
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> example punter catch 10% of p6 that pay 800000 and
> ticket is by tote he get pay 80000
> punter catch 10% at bookie he get pay 50000
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> capice?

You are absolutely right FH. Kind of sad that people still say you're wrong. lol. And ABSOLUTELY WRONG at that. Just goes to show, people may think they know everything, and talk like they do, but really know nothing.

how sad in this day and age that you have to resort to such methods of getting on a horse where in the past and im talking 10 to 20 years ago you could get on as much as you want...why is it this way surely with inflation our brave and heroic bookies should lay unlimited of a horse if they believe that the market maker has done his job correctly...why in this day and age do bookies close punters accounts or resort to limits that are pathetic like 1000 rand of a horse...donjt paint all these pretty pictures of bookies they are mostly termites who would sell their own mother for 5rand...obviously we have exceptions like hwood bworld and my bookie ricky sin but on the whole they live off the game not for the game....some of these online sites are an absolute disgrace and i hear from plenty punters who use them about their pathetic business practices...

The % payouts are explained in all bookies terms and c's

JAMES BLOND Wrote:

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> RACING GURU Wrote:
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> > LG...i have been long enough in the game to
> know
> > how to get on and with who to get on with as
> far
> > as limits are concerned....no body in this town
> > can teach me about :"getting on"....i got onto
> a
> > horse ,first timer...at 4/1 for over 200 000
> > without shortening it......but when it was race
> > time...all panic buttons were pressed....how i
> got
> > on...i will reveal....because i have other
> ideas
> > in mind...on an open forum....
> >
> > i find a game where only 2 results are
> > possible...normally i like to find a cricket
> > game..but i dont bet on the out come of the
> > game...because our bookies still need to learn
> > about percentages...and i want to get on with
> > losing the bare minumum..so lets take today for
> > instance...the dolphins are playing the
> cobras..at
> > 4pm or so....i wpould have gone into the rooms
> at
> > about 11 am...and bet on the 'MARKET " WHICH
> SAYS
> > COIN TOSS....NOW NORMALLY BOOKIES HAVE THIS
> MARKET
> > RIGHT....THEY NORMALLY BET 0.95/1 THE PAIR...SO
> I
> > AM PREPARED TO LOSE 5 %....i start taking
> doubles
> > 0.95/1 cobras...onto my 4/1 shot for
> > tommorrow...double works out 7.75/1...BUT i
> take
> > it with both teams..a grand each...mill
> > around...take it again...take it agian at
> anothet
> > counter for 500 etc....by the time 4 pm comes
> i
> > am averaging 3.9 the horse...but even that is
> > waived..because most bookies have a built in
> > stretch eg marshalls will give 4.3/1 off a
> 4/1..so
> > i am back to 4/1....reality kicks in with them
> > when they put in the result of the coin
> > toss...then they look at the next leg...and
> then
> > panic sets in..but i am already on...
> >
> >
> > coming back to open bets p6...i will never take
> it
> > with the bookie...if the net pool is over 1
> > million..anything under...like a kimberley
> meeting
> > of a pool of 700000..i will not take it on the
> > tote i will always play that with the
> > bookie...mauritius pa ,p6 jp....only open
> > bets...because i could never reach their
> ceiling
> > limit anyway...but i also have the chance of
> > winning the whole pool without altering
> > dividends...so there is no hard and fast rule
> of
> > where u should take,...decipher and on each
> > situation,check where u r going...that is with
> the
> > pools
> >
> > another thing.....i have a good thing in
> > mauritius...6/10...cant lose....i will play
> with
> > the rules...normally the place pool is around
> 20
> > k...so what do i do...i take the same modus
> > operendi..double the cricket toss onto tote
> place
> > the 6/10 the next day...bookies clerks laugh at
> > me....each ticket for no more than 1k
> each...thats
> > taken early....a minute before race time..i put
> 3k
> > (depending what the size of the pool is at the
> > time) on the other 7 horses(assuming its a 8
> horse
> > race)....place dividends
> manipulated...favourite
> > gonna pay nothing less than 4 to 5 rand a
> > place...could be more...and collect form
> > bookie/s...120k....for an investment of 30 +
> > 21k...but i am gonna get back at least 6
> > k..because 2 other horse have to fill the first
> 3
> > anyway...
>
> RG you method got got me thinking and I started
> looking around
> and I want to hear your opinion on the following
> method:
> you said to chose to markets were there could only
> be 2 choices so i looked at tennis and want to use
> the following example
>
> being played tomorrow nadal v berndricht (just an
> example, i know nadal is very much unbeatable)
> Nadal 1/5 and berndricht 32/10
> so if i could find a horse on Sunday that can win
> @ 4/1
> the double will be as follows with Nadal 5/1 and
> Berndricht 20/1
> I noticed a few upsets in tennis lately and should
> B win i got 20/1 on 4/1 horse and should N win I
> got 5/1 which is still a 25% extra
> do you think this a good way to go?

look its 1 way of getting on....but like i said earlier...bookies % in sa are up the pole...if your 4/1 shot wins on sunday...u are averaging...3.6/1....off a 4/1....i think its 2 much to give away...look it also depends how much u want to get on...in the 1st place if NADAL IS 1/5....they should be betting the other guy around 4.5/1....thats what i mean by bookies betting to ridiculous %'s in 2 horse events...thats why i dont bet on outcomes...because in sa....bookies..bet 9/10 the pair....true odds should be 0.95 the pair

having said that there is arbitary betting...where for instance Nadal is 1/5...and the other guy is 12/1 to win in 2 sets and 10/1 to win in 3 sets(assuming) its not a grand slam and they r playing best of three....u now average player 2 at 4.6/1....much more realistic...so then u take your dutching calculator and that will tell u how much u need to put on each outcome to get a result of close to 4/1...in my above example...u will show a loss of 2%....there are many times where bookies get these cross markets wrong...and u can show a small profit no matter what the result is