Crabbia/ Ennion Split

zenyatta Wrote:

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> That was in Aus and New Zealand in SA not a
> winner not even a maiden i think
> Either the farm in Natal is bad or the stallion
> threw winners on the dam side.


Jump and Away , Blushing peter, Party Rocker have all won...

I find it hard to believe that a trainer can be blamed for a horse throwing a shoe ?

Sure a owner can do as he likes , But trust is built over time ,something money cannot buy !

Titch i appologize stopped following PE for awhile.
What a stallion he wins in PE
i was wondering were they were those horses as i used to lay them everytime they ran in major centers.
pity no more sweets from them.
I think there will not be 1 st Pete winning in major center.

Poor filly Hidden Beauty top filly changed trainer so many times know broken down..

Len Sham Wrote:

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> Correct by the way were you a fan of the Lairds
> horse called Beyond the Pale(tu)

Sure was , and owned by the Jaffee family I think

Beyond The Pale Wrote:

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now we show our age yes? laird have many top horse but if you talk beyond the pale, at the same time he have a few good one:

the rutland arms
harrington
statue of liberty
farmer giles
royal messenger

i think around 1982-1985 my memory not so good. at this time he is a POTENT force with robbie sham and bartie leisher with the light weights. i punt heavy in those day i put a fortune on royal messenger in his first win where he win by 10 lengths those were the days of horse racing not the rubbish we see today

(tu)Beyond The Pale Wrote:

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Zatopek and The Rutland Arms were my favourit horses(tu) in those days...

pirates Wrote:

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> i really couldnt give a toss what crabbia does but
> his horses end up having 5 or 6 trainers through
> their career so when he moves ahorse to a yard
> that trainer is under pressure from the start as
> his bad reputation precedes him and ultimately the
> trainer wont do whats best for the horse...the
> best owners worldwide dont practice his pathetic
> stable swopping and try stay loyal to a few
> trainers and letb them do their work to the best
> of their ability,,,,greg ennion did extremely well
> for him and has been training for many decades and
> the comment he made that he is trying to get his
> horses to trainers who have been training for a
> long time is utter crap considering they have
> left ennion and moore and gone to trainers half
> their age...he should go to the maestro ormond he
> wouldnt get thru the front door ...i notice dekock
> tarry woodruff and bass havent got his horses
> either ..i would rather have empty boxes than
> train for such an owner


De kock had 1 horse of his a couple of years ago it had 2 runs for him he told fred it was crap so he argued with Michael, he told him to pick up his horse.

optimist Wrote:

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> > i really couldnt give a toss what crabbia does
> but
> > his horses end up having 5 or 6 trainers
> through
> > their career so when he moves ahorse to a yard
> > that trainer is under pressure from the start
> as
> > his bad reputation precedes him and ultimately
> the
> > trainer wont do whats best for the horse...the
> > best owners worldwide dont practice his
> pathetic
> > stable swopping and try stay loyal to a few
> > trainers and letb them do their work to the
> best
> > of their ability,,,,greg ennion did extremely
> well
> > for him and has been training for many decades
> and
> > the comment he made that he is trying to get
> his
> > horses to trainers who have been training for a
> > long time is utter crap considering they have
> > left ennion and moore and gone to trainers half
> > their age...he should go to the maestro ormond
> he
> > wouldnt get thru the front door ...i notice
> dekock
> > tarry woodruff and bass havent got his horses
> > either ..i would rather have empty boxes than
> > train for such an owner
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> De kock had 1 horse of his a couple of years ago
> it had 2 runs for him he told fred it was crap so
> he argued with Michael, he told him to pick up his
> horse.


It could have been Tytola. It moved to Woodruff after that winning the Greyville 1900 and running third in the July in 2002 behind Ipi Tombe.

tytola won a gr1 as a 2yo so was always a good horse..didnt just improve going to woodruff

Fred is very good for racing,I had a lot to do with his starting in Singapore and in finding Pat's first horses In Argentina and he still deals with Ignacio there .he has been very staunch to them.

JustinV Wrote:

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> tytola won a gr1 as a 2yo so was always a good
> horse..didnt just improve going to woodruff


Didnt Shaw stable run 1 / 2 / 3 in that same race