ARE YOU HAPPY TO PAY TOLL FEE?

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> > > I'm just even happier than usual that I don't
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> How are out-of-GP-provinces managed? If I changed
> my GP number plate to say a KZN do I still get
> charged and if so how much?

F YOU USE YOU PAY DOENT MATTER FROM WHICH PROVINCE YOU COME, THEY DO OFFER DAILY AND WEEKLY ETAGS ESPESCIALLY FOR THAT BUT ONCE U REGISTER YOU ARE BIND TO TERMS AND CONDITIONS AS ABOVE AND IF YOU DONT PAY YOU BECOME A CRIMINAL.
if you don't register they must sue ou in civil court as a creditor that is what is going to kill them, they will flood courts but the problem is with that according to the new NCA laws you are not allowed to collect more on costs as the original debt.

I have people owing me amounts less than R1000 and the lawyers say sorry no can do under R1000, they don't even bother to sue anymore and I have treid a few lawyers and they all say thee same.

So i dont know how they are go to get around that.

STOP HIGHWAY ROBBERY!

The Democratic Alliance supports legal action against the Gauteng tolls.

Enough is enough! These tolls are one tax too many.

Show YOUR support at www.outa.co.za

Pass this on to as many people as possible.

A criminal if you don't pay a toll imposed on you without consultation.
Time for a revolt.
I moved out of that province and so did every member of my family.
Its a sh$t hole run by Limpopo brains trust

Came across something re road tolls that suddenly makes sense why the Govt is so willing to take on the taxis, Cosatu, unions, and indeed the whole of Gauteng province. Apparently they have a big share in Sanrac that runs the toll, paid for with civil servants' pension fund money. If Sanrac bombs, the pension fund will be in deep hot stuff. Go figure ...

Mavourneen Wrote:

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> Came across something re road tolls that suddenly
> makes sense why the Govt is so willing to take on
> the taxis, Cosatu, unions, and indeed the whole of
> Gauteng province. Apparently they have a big share
> in Sanrac that runs the toll, paid for with civil
> servants' pension fund money. If Sanrac bombs, the
> pension fund will be in deep hot stuff. Go figure
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Also heard that - about the pension money - and it's SANRAL (SCAMRAL) - if true, another disgrace and another case for the Public Protector - who at this rate is going to need 5 assistants at least to get the job done

Also just something to consider for those living outside Gauteng - these roads built (upgraded) by SANRAL (as opposed to GAURAL) - so don't think what is happening here can't happen in Durban or Cape Town or Bloem or PE .... :

Ok to be different.

The SANRAL project has to succeed for the GAUTRAIN and the rapid BUS system to succeed.

Having said that the process has been an absolute abortion. SANRAL, local goverment and National minsters would be put to the sword world wide for the mess but in SA they probably get a performance bonus.

Suggestions for rebates on Regional fuel costs etc have all been ignored so we sit where the system will go live and will fail. Then threats of license suspensions, heavy fines for business etc will be used to get compliance.

While all this goes on the Road accident fund which is an absolute F UP of note could have paid for this with there pocket money.

On top of all this large parts of these new toll roads in Gauteng have already started to fall into disrepair and ins some instances the tar surface has melted off of the underlying cement surface causing a very dangerous surface to drive on.

Anyways we have A 4th first wive to celebrate. Go Zuma Baby. Nothing like a five some i hear.

Sylvester Wrote:

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> Ok to be different.
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> The SANRAL project has to succeed for the GAUTRAIN
> and the rapid BUS system to succeed.
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> Having said that the process has been an absolute
> abortion. SANRAL, local goverment and National
> minsters would be put to the sword world wide for
> the mess but in SA they probably get a performance
> bonus.
>
> Suggestions for rebates on Regional fuel costs etc
> have all been ignored so we sit where the system
> will go live and will fail. Then threats of
> license suspensions, heavy fines for business etc
> will be used to get compliance.
>
> While all this goes on the Road accident fund
> which is an absolute F UP of note could have paid
> for this with there pocket money.
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> On top of all this large parts of these new toll
> roads in Gauteng have already started to fall into
> disrepair and ins some instances the tar surface
> has melted off of the underlying cement surface
> causing a very dangerous surface to drive on.
>
> Anyways we have A 4th first wive to celebrate. Go
> Zuma Baby. Nothing like a five some i hear.

THEY CAN NOT AFFORD THAT IT FAILS BECAUSE THEY INVESTED R15.7 MILJARD OF THE GOVERNMENTS TAX PAYERS MONEY IN IT. according to the "Beeld" yesterday

If they fail they will be liable for the money. That is why the government is pushing for it to go ahead.

Way to go!!!!!!!!!!!
http://s1-03.twitpicproxy.com/photos/full/567115964.jpg?key=583438

in Today's Beeld:

A woman from PTA, against my advice( , registered for etag"because it was the right thinbg to do" now she is R2400 out of pocket!!!

she hadn't even put the tag on her window yet.
she registered on the 12th April and on the 13th they debited her account with R2400 and the next day with 5c!!!!!!!!!!
when she tried to get her money back they could only give her a reference number but could not say when they will refund her as the system currently do not allow for refunds!!!!!!!!!

THE BUNCH OF WANKERS CALLED SANRAIL HAVE NOT EVEN STARTED AND ALREADY THE ARE @#$%%^&*() IT UP!!!!
IMAGE WHAT WILL BE THE CASE IF MILLIONS OF TRANSACTIONS START GOING THROUGH AND WRONG.

LUCKLY THEY WON'T HAVE ACCESS TO MY BANK ACCOUNT.


On the subject of toll fees I caught Bakwena out they, if you pay by credit card they put double payments through and when you query they say "oops sorry" so if you pay toll fees by credit card check it,

Send me a bill then I pay .... FARKIN corrupt ba$t:(rds running this country!!!!

Pretoria - The next step in the legal battle against e-tolling will be to secure a full record of how the R20bn decision came about, the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) said on Saturday.

"We are entitled to ask for the record as to what was before the [transport] minister when he made the decision," Outa chairperson Wayne Duvenage told reporters in Pretoria.

"We will go to court to get a full record."

The North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria granted an urgent interdict on Saturday to halt the contentious e-toll project in Gauteng.

"People are held captive by the toll roads," said Judge Bill Prinsloo, delivering judgment on Outa's application.

"I make the following order... the first respondent [SA National Roads Agency] is interdicted and restrained from levying and collecting tolls," said the judge, to an applause in the public gallery.

Court review

After being postponed five times, the e-toll system will now have to wait for the outcome of a court review.

Duvenage said it could take two to three months before the review started.

Outa's lawyer Pieter Conradie said Saturday's win was legal history.

"History was made for the people of South Africa," he said.

"Government must realise the court is there to protect people and government must realise they serve the people and not the other way round."

Duvenage said Outa appreciated the support the organisation had received.

There were times when he thought it was "far too big a mountain to climb" and take on government.

"It's incredible to have the weight of the nation on your side. I would hope government would be able to sit back and see what happened here," said Duvenage.

Financial strain

In his judgment Prinsloo said that while he realised the ruling would put financial strain on Sanral, it was clear that many South African citizens would suffer financial hardship if it went ahead.

Prinsloo said he was aware that there must be thousands, if not tens of thousands, who must use the toll roads and would suffer financially as a result.

He also bemoaned a lack of good alternative transport.

Prinsloo said he had "carefully considered" the arguments brought by all parties in the case this week.
No fewer than 19 lawyers were involved in the matter and 2 500 filed.

The judge believed that Outa had made a prima facie case for a review of the e-toll project.

Outside court, two men protesting against the tolls were sitting on deck chairs, wearing suits.

Both were holding "newspapers" and placards read: "The high price of freedom benefits who?" and "Politics of this country are like fish and chips".

Between the chairs was another poster that stated "We wouldn't kill for [President Jacob] Zuma".

Cosatu protests

The roll-out of the tolls has seen resistance and protests from several quarters, including the ruling African National Congress' tripartite alliance partner, the Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu).

Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi this week warned, in an interview on SABC radio, that the implementation of e-tolling would have "serious repercussions at a political level".

"We are quite determined to convince them it will make no political sense at this stage to proceed with such an unpopular policy," Vavi said on Thursday morning, shortly before he went into a meeting with the ANC on the matter.

The ANC later announced that e-tolls would be delayed by another month.

It was initially scheduled to be implemented on Monday, 30 April.

Collecting costs exceeding cost of road improvement

Prinsloo said the announcement had no bearing on his judgment.

This week, National Treasury warned that halting the e-toll project would have "serious negative implications for future financing of roads and investment in public transport".

However, Outa lawyer Alistair Franklin argued that the system was unreasonable as it had disproportionate costs attached to it.

"Collecting costs are exceeding the cost of improvement [of the roads]," he told the court.

Sanral recently irked motorists further by announcing that those who did not register for e-tags on the 185km of tolled highways would have to pay a higher punitive rate.

The agency cited costs associated with recovering payment, including invoicing and debt collection, as reasons for the R1.75c punitive tariff per kilometre, compared to the standard tariff of 30c/ kilometre for registered users.

Prinsloo's judgment was widely welcomed, with both the opposition Democratic Alliance and Cosatu applauding it.

The transport department said it respected the decision but would study the ruling thoroughly to decide on the "next course of action."

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Us Prinsloo's are good guys ()