Tipping

in other words punters turnover is the lifeblood of the game

so as owners you are not content to get stake money from punters betting turnover takeout, but you and your trainers want to pull moves on the unsuspecting public by using inside info to win money from the pool of the public's mug money

Watching the cricket, cat?

The tote gives punters a better shake, returns more money to gamblers and in the end provides better prize money to horse owners and racetracks. Bookmakers survive in places where punters are hooked on credit and bookmakers know how to use their money to insure that the proper palms are greased within the government to allow them to continue in business. Money bet through the tote is easier to discern for punters, so they can better determine when money "talks."

thank guys for showing me that is ok for the graft to be done by the trainer,,line one up,,give him a few runs,,let the jock give him an easy,,maybe put him over wrong distance or something to fool the mug punters,,, then give INSIDE info to the owner,,let him get on,, careful not to let other owners in his yard find out and steal his price,,tell a white lie or two if he gets interviewed,,,its all justified that he who pays the bills must win at the best price which belongs to him anyway,,,remember he feeds the horse,vets bills,,,no one feels sorry for him when he has to dish out the stake money to the public if his horse wins or runs a place,,,rather let the owner graft and get the money than the greedy bookmaker, or the stakes contributing betting public,,,, the public must be grateful that once the owner puts his money down at the best price then that’s the signal to follow the "right money" and get on,,,phew now i can stop studying form and get rich,,i will put the word out and the racecourses will fill up again,,,thanks to the owners with this attitude the game will prosper again,,,

Martin, your website and all the hard work you do to make it so is great mate.

I don't think anyone spoke of 'graft' pulling Horses etc. to hoodwink the public.

What (I think) most are saying is why should 'connections' of a Horse point out the well being of said Horse prior to having a wee punt before it becomes general knowledge.

I have seen Horses claimed for very little money (£3,000 SA wide!) Not only halve but more like quarter!

So what chance someone who lives 6,000miles away get any kind of price? Not that I'm a 'big' punter, but a £50 e/w @8/1 looks a lot better than 'holding thumbs' for a £100 2/1 win - lol!

And to a man - example Cat today - once on, they have no problem in sharing the Horse's well-being. And Martin as we all know just because the Horse is well, it doesn't mean it's gonna win! And in fact, you have a shed load of stats that I wouldn't mind betting shows that more often than not said 'talking Horses' LOSE more than they WIN - Dbl-lol!!

Respectfully, Jim.

boys i know that most stable gambles go astray,,all i want to point out is that idea that the betting market belongs to the owner first in a public system is bull dust,,the punter who puts his money down takes as much risk as anyone else,,so if you get 7/2 or 12/10 it makes no difference as long as your selection wins,,, i have also owned and never saw the market as mine because i owned the horse,,,

Whilst horseracing is far removed from the world of stockbroking there is a reason why inside information and the acting on such information is not only illegal, but is viewed as unethical as well.

Can you imagine if the shareholders of a company "owned" the information regarding that company and had first option in deciding what they want to do with that info? The mistrust would eventually see the end of the market in which that company operates as only a select few would be able to make money.

Unfortunately there is so much mistrust in horseracing it is virtually impossible for a punter to consistantly make money without having information and relying solely on form. Therefore the more info available the better the chances of the punter.

The fact is without punters horses would be running races against each other for no stake money. Is it therefore not logical to conclude that wealthier punters mean increased betting pools, increased stakes as well as growing the industry as a whole? The way I see it is the poorer the punter, the poorer the owner in the long run.

In my book anyone who thinks they have a right to prosper at the expense of the betting public is doing the game a disservice...

Sasky: very well stated.

That’s why I prefer punting on sport.
You don’t have to worry about tips or what the owner/trainer/jockey says.
You don’t back into a 120% plus market, but into a 105% market.
There is price fixing in horses - every bookie has the horses at the same prices.
In sport the bookies prices vary greatly.
There is no tip or “insider” info that can make you win punting into a 120% + market on a consistent basis.

Fingers you obviously never heard about all the 'bent' football games in Italy the other year plus many other 'rumors' of other football nations.

As for the stockmarket example - I don't think you'll find a more corrupt industry - they just do it in a more subtle way - lol!

Exactly AB.

BUT it's white collar crime = a slapped wrist MAYBE a few months inside. Nick a few pounds = 5 years!