barry irwin a cert for arcsa owner of the year
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Re: Re: barry irwin a cert for arcsa owner of the year
17 years 2 days ago
Yes, partnerships and syndicates don't count as 'an owner' for arcsa purposes.
Irwin astute judge, great for sales, great for racing, but possibly doesn't own a single horse outright and represents investors who can be in one syndicate horse and not another.
Irwin astute judge, great for sales, great for racing, but possibly doesn't own a single horse outright and represents investors who can be in one syndicate horse and not another.
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17 years 1 day ago
FYI, I heard that Irwin is the majority shareholder in Russian Sage, She's on Fire and On Her Toes. Mum's the word though, because if it got out it would spoil the impression that his partnerships are made up of people that put up the money so he can play for free. So keep it under your hat, okay?
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Re: Re: barry irwin a cert for arcsa owner of the year
17 years 1 day ago
You can be assured your secret is safe here.
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17 years 1 day ago
Sorry Barry, didn't realise you are a 1 man band. Must be difficult to be so misunderstood.
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Re: Re: barry irwin a cert for arcsa owner of the year
17 years 1 day ago
Could be interesting, but what about Marsh Shirtliff? He's got to be in the frame, especially if he wins the July, and Jay Peg has carried his colours to two stunning wins overseas even if he doesn't own the horse by himself.
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Re: Re: barry irwin a cert for arcsa owner of the year
17 years 1 day ago
Shirtliff, with Pocket Power, River Jetez and Jay Peg is holding an awesome hand. He could even run 1-2-3 in the July (Floatyourboat).
But he could hold 99% of each, or 1% of each.
For ARCSA award purposes, how would the judges judge all the partnerships and syndicates fairly, and how would 'single' owners then compare?
But he could hold 99% of each, or 1% of each.
For ARCSA award purposes, how would the judges judge all the partnerships and syndicates fairly, and how would 'single' owners then compare?
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17 years 1 day ago
The world of racing has changed and partnerships one day will be the norm. In this respect, statistics for owners will cease to become meaningful. On the good news front, when partnerships do make up the majority of ownership, racetracks throughout the world will be forced to treat partnership owners with the same respect they now apply to single owners. Won't that be nice!
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Re: Re: barry irwin a cert for arcsa owner of the year
17 years 1 day ago
Barry, don't misunderstand. I think you do an exceptional job. Your selection is so good, it's frightening. Your experience shows, and you manage your trainers even better.
But the topic here is arcsa owner award, the point is one doesn't know who owns what in syndicates and partnerships, so how would they qualify for an 'owner of the year' award? In your case, you may own nearly all Team Valor horses, or nearly none. Team Valor may have dozens of different interlocking partnerships and represent many individuals. It may be contrary of what the award is trying to honour. An example is I may own 10% in two top horses in different syndicates...should I eligible be owner of the year?
But the topic here is arcsa owner award, the point is one doesn't know who owns what in syndicates and partnerships, so how would they qualify for an 'owner of the year' award? In your case, you may own nearly all Team Valor horses, or nearly none. Team Valor may have dozens of different interlocking partnerships and represent many individuals. It may be contrary of what the award is trying to honour. An example is I may own 10% in two top horses in different syndicates...should I eligible be owner of the year?
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Re: Re: barry irwin a cert for arcsa owner of the year
17 years 1 day ago
Guys
Which owner ended top of the owners prize money list last year and who got the award ? The rules can be twisted depending on which result you want.
Which owner ended top of the owners prize money list last year and who got the award ? The rules can be twisted depending on which result you want.
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Re: Re: barry irwin a cert for arcsa owner of the year
17 years 1 day ago
BOYS YOU CANT BEAT CITY HALL and as with most phum gold productions the goalposts will be changed
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Re: Re: barry irwin a cert for arcsa owner of the year
17 years 1 day ago
the correct owner fo9r horse of the year should be th Jay peg Syndicate they won 2 of the biggest races in the world
it should be a cert ,but it probably wont.
puffin and co are without doubt in my opinion owners of the year
it should be a cert ,but it probably wont.
puffin and co are without doubt in my opinion owners of the year
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Re: Re: barry irwin a cert for arcsa owner of the year
17 years 1 day ago
because its an international sport.
And if ronaldo wins the euro for portugal i know who will be the portugese player.
we have not had a horse like jay peg give the owners there dream
And if ronaldo wins the euro for portugal i know who will be the portugese player.
we have not had a horse like jay peg give the owners there dream
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