SPORTINGBET PAYOUT

I placed a bet on the 8th race at Flamingo today with 14 runners and my horse finished 4th and i was paid the place part of my each way bet. The same amount of runners were in the 9th race and my ew bet finished 4th again. However, my account was not credited and i went to see why. I see they were only paying 3 places in race 9, which seemed rather strange as i normally check that before placing my bets as i dont play ew on the races that only pay up to 3, but there is a good chance that i missed it.

However, i queried it with "Rosie" in the online chat help and she tells me that they only paid 3 places on that race. I asked the reason and she said "we just do"

Surely that is not a reasonable explanation. I couldn't be bothered to argue with someone who clearly had no intention of helping the customer.

What i want to know is does anybody know if there is any reasoning behind sportingbet offering 3 or 4 places when the runners are the same? With Hollywood its in the terms and conditions that over 13 runners 4 places will be paid

PS - i would only bet with hollywood if the betting markets were available for what i punt on and if the possible payout worked as well on Hollywood as Sporting bet with regard to patent, yankees, doubles etc.

There was only 13 runners in the last race

Fixed Odds for SA

The following shall apply to place betting at fixed odds:
(i)In races of 3 runners or less no place bets shall be accepted. All place bets placed will be void.
(ii)In the event of a dead heat in the placings, normal dead heat rules will apply.
(iii)All fixed odds place bets are subject to the rules relating to the scratchings and the deductions table above. In the event that scratchings result in 3 runners or less, all place bets will be refunded.
(iv)If scratchings reduce the size of the field, and deductions are declared, bets will stand as taken subject to those deductions. If no deduction is declared the odds and places will be determined as per the table below.
(v)Sportingbet may at any time withdraw the offer of fixed odds place betting in any given race or event.
(vi)Prices of all place bets are subject to change according to the fixed odds win price of the horse in question.

FIXED ODDS PLACES TABLE
Number of runners Places Paid
3 or less Nil
4 to 6 2
7 – 13 3
14 or more 4

Thanks for the reply hibs, but this is my point exactly,

1 Hidden Rave 30.70 5.80
2 Secret Spirit 5.00 1.30
3 Hollywood Chief 47.50 12.50
4 Roman Legion 4.00 1.50
5 Var Light 21.10 5.10
6 Breakspear 32.70 9.10
7 Woza Friday 6.40 4.70
8 Port Young 30.00 8.00
9 Lincoln Tan SCR SCR
10 Fort William 60.10 19.30
11 Power Flow 25.90 5.40
12 Road's End 3.50 1.50
13 Tripartite 10.70 3.00
14 Derbaas 16.30 4.20

I assume point iv of your post applies. Lincoln tan scratched at the start. Surely it should be a deduction and not a change in the payout places?

If I read correctly: 14 horses go to the start and a horse is scratched thereafter and if it causes a deduction, bets are subject to such deduction but if the scratched horse is , say 100/1 and therefore NOT subject to deduction, places are reduced to 3 ????
Am I reading those conditions correctly? Hard to believe cos it's illogical (and downright theft)!!

rob faux Wrote:

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> If I read correctly: 14 horses go to the start and
> a horse is scratched thereafter and if it causes a
> deduction, bets are subject to such deduction but
> if the scratched horse is , say 100/1 and
> therefore NOT subject to deduction, places are
> reduced to 3 ????
> Am I reading those conditions correctly? Hard to
> believe cos it's illogical (and downright theft)!!


Couldn't agree more Rob. I take the bet knowing that the race will pay 4 places yet due to scratching they amend my bet? Its not a lot of money that i would have won but the principle is surely wrong and needs to be looked at. I would be interested to know if Hollywood or any other bookmaker on this site run exactly the same principles? Perhaps Dev would be able to shed some light?

I stand to to be corrected but some bookies do pay out according to the amount of horses carded I think Hollywood is one but not sure.

sorry Hollywood not one of them here are their T&C

Place Betting

Fixed Odds Places

The following shall apply to place betting at fixed odds:

· In races of 3 runners or less no place bets shall be accepted. All place bets placed will be void.

· In the event of a dead heat in the placing’s, normal dead heat rules will apply.

· All fixed odds place bets are subject to the rules relating to the scratching’s and the deductions table above. In the event that scratching’s result in 3 runners or less, all place bets will be refunded.

· If scratching’s reduce the size of the field, and deductions are declared, bets will stand as taken subject to those deductions. If no deduction is declared the odds and places will be determined as per the table below.

· Hollywood may at any time withdraw the offer of fixed odds place betting in any given race or event.

· Hollywood may from time to time offer Feature race place betting which will include multiple alternate place betting opportunities based on the win odds of the contestants

FIXED ODDS PLACES TABLE
Number of carded runners
Places Paid
3 or less
Nil
4 to 6
2
7 – 13
3
14 or more
4
Open Places (Local Meetings)

Where there are 7 runners or less, including where the field is reduced by scratching’s or withdrawals, all open place bets will be void whether they are winning or losing bets. In the case of multiples they will be treated as a non-runner and the multiple bet will stand.
Where there are 8 to 15 runners, 3 places will apply.
Where there are 16 or more runners, 4 places will apply.
Open Places (International Meetings)
Hollywood will offer and accept bets on international events as determined by the applicable TAB rules in respect of each event. Where the field is reduced by scratching’s or withdrawals to below the minimum number of runners, all open place bets will be void, whether they are winning or losing bets. In the case of multiples, they will be treated as a non-runner and the multiple bet will stand.

British Tote rules apply to commingled pools and, in the case of Place betting, these are substantially different to South African open bet rules.

British Tote rules for Place betting depend on whether a race is a handicap or non-handicap and are as follows:

Non-Handicap Races

· 4 or less run : No Place betting

· 5 to 7 run : Payouts first and second

· 8 to 20 run : Payouts first, second and third

Handicap Races

· 4 or less run : No place betting

· 5 to 7 run : Payouts first and second

· 8 to 15 run : Payouts first, second and third

· 16 to 20 run : Payouts first, second, third and fourth

UK races on which TAB operates pools but which are not scheduled for broadcast on Tellytrack : Win, Place, Swinger and Exacta bets only (British Tote rules apply).

All Open places or Fixed Odds places will be subject to the “Run and Deduction” and dead heat rules.
Dead heat rules apply.

Hi Guys

Sorry James Blond, we (Hollywood) are one of them - and you have it there in the terms and conditions!

We pay our places according to the number of CARDED Runners:
FIXED ODDS PLACES TABLE
Number of carded runners
Places Paid
3 or less - Nil
4 to 6 - 2
7 – 13 - 3
14 or more - 4

Therefore even if there are 15 runners, and 3 get scratched, we still pay 4 places. Depending on the odds of the horses scratched, deductions will apply. Anything above 14/1 will receive no deduction (14/1 is a 5% deduction).

With regards to Open Places (or Tote places) we pay according to the SAFTOTE rules, and the dividends declared - as posted their in the T&Cs

I am not defending bookmakers but the rules in the UK cannot be the same as in SA.

For example a trainer can scratch a horse in the UK today and it runs tomorrow
You can start off from lambourn towards exater at 6 am with a horse that races on good and arrive at a course that is now running heavy

So there are sometimes plenty scratchings in the UK, thats why their rules are a bit diff to what we used to.

The way Hollywood do business is why they should be your provider of choice- I find it it difficult to have sympathy with those who deal with bookmakers whose conduct has been reported to be devious or suspect,and are then surprised to be treated the same.
The biggest drawback to common sense is that it is not too common.......lol