MrTobin What a pleasure

sorry i have the siesta. jv is not a owner is the guy who provide a service to cunha stable and he not the only one.

i agree with frodo this surface should stay

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> I lurv sand racing... but that's because I nose
> nothing, and don't understand gross and nett MR's
> and am just farking clueless... but eye still lurv
> Vaal Sand racing (tu)


u said yesterday there is no difference between gross and net ratings they the same thing..not changing ur mind?

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> I find all this rubbishing of the sand track very
> short-sighted; what is wrong with having an
> alternate surface to race on? (especially in
> winter) Yes, the sand has it's problems and there
> should have been better planning at the start, but
> the sand has given many horses (and owners) a new
> lease of life - what is wrong with that?
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> And whether it is 'boring' - not for me, so I must
> be part of the 5% that sees it's value
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> Regarding 'inconsistent' performance on the sand
> (I heard the Aussie confessing yesterday that he
> can't figure out the form on the sand) - does
> anyone have actual true stats about the number of
> 'fancied' (less that 5/1?) winning on the sand as
> compared to other turf tracks - especially in PE -
> and nobody is calling for PE racing to be
> scrapped?


there is nothing wrong with an alterante surface..thats why synthetic tracks are coming

the vaal sand is just a very bad alternative compared to the other possibilites

When the Vaal sand was first installed it held perfectly and we had several meetings when had heavy rains. For me it looks like over the years without the proper treating and maintenance of the surface it deteriorated. If we put a new "all weather" or synthetic surface whoever the track manager is should be sent on extrensive training to be able to maintain the surface property, maybe spend some time in the States or other countries where they successfully maintain the surfaces. I am not having a go at the track management of the Vaal because they probably did not know any better. In the States the horses on the "dirt" run with specific sand shoes, why do we not allow this here?

I agree this forum is not the avenue to slate people or accuse them of owing monies.

Magi Wrote:

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> I lurv sand racing... but that's because I nose
> nothing, and don't understand gross and nett MR's
> and am just farking clueless... but eye still lurv
> Vaal Sand racing (tu)


Would lurv sand racing, but farking sand always beats me:D

JustinV Wrote:

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> the vaal sand is just a very bad alternative
> compared to the other possibilites


...... in your opinion

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ya u right im wrong, compared to tapeta and other synthetics that the top racing countries in the world have gone with (including the richest such as dubai,qatar etc) the vaal sand beats them all,hands down..forgive me

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> ya u right im wrong, compared to tapeta and other
> synthetics that the top racing countries in the
> world have gone with (including the richest such
> as dubai,qatar etc) the vaal sand beats them
> all,hands down..forgive me


Please don't take it personnally when someone disagrees with you - as for the tapeta, wasn't there an outcry in Dubai about this surface this year? And I'm not saying sand is better, it just gives another alternative - so please forgive me as well <

The tapeta in dubai killed many horses this year

The tapeta in Dubai is, by all accounts, a disaster. The track is WAYYYY too light and horses are running way to quickly over the surface. They pulling more muscles and doing more tendons than any other surface. That being said it doesn't mean that Tapeta is not the way to go, just not the way to go in a desert climate perhaps?

The Vaal sand isn't that bad and it's not meant to be the best in the business, just give us an alternative, like Frodo said.

Remember, horses that act on grass will more than likely act on synthetic. Horses who act on sand almost never run well on synthetic.

There is a place for all 3 surfaces around good ol SA methinks.

"There is a place for all 3 surfaces around good ol SA methinks."(tu)(tu)

I totally agree. Should have a variety to suit all types of horses. It will keep lots more interest in the game.