Overrated horse by trainer

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13 years 5 months ago
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> savas you are crazy of course pj is a champiom

Excellent horse, but I'd stop short of champion. It's all a matter of how you define the word, but Tyson was also the "peoples' horse" and he was no champion in the sense that I'd use the word.

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13 years 5 months ago
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Magic you are right a very good horse but not a champion. Politician's, Horse Chestnut's etc were champions.

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Re: Re: Overrated horse by trainer

13 years 5 months ago
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Have to agree we tend to get carried away Mill Reef, Arkle were champions

Frankel, Black Caviar are champions

PJ a good horse

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13 years 5 months ago
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Frankel,Black Caviar Mill Reef Arkle and Go Me Gal...>:D<
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Re: Re: Overrated horse by trainer

13 years 5 months ago
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magiclips Wrote:
> Flash Harry Wrote:
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> > savas you are crazy of course pj is a champiom
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> Excellent horse, but I'd stop short of champion.
> It's all a matter of how you define the word, but
> Tyson was also the "peoples' horse" and he was no
> champion in the sense that I'd use the word.

Are horses like tyson and pj called the peoples horse because they are owned by smaller players in the game? What is the definition of THE PEOPLES HORSE?

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13 years 5 months ago
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The Peoples Horse not necessarily owned by smaller owners (Pocket Power was The peoples Horse) but just a horse that catches the attention of the public and most importantly gets them to the races...
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13 years 5 months ago
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There was a horse in Japan that is certainly "The Peoples Horse" and in fact even had a fan club and she has NEVER won a race her record read 100 starts for ZERO wins before she was retired and yet every time she runs the grandstand is packed to capacity... a true Peoples Horse

Haruurara
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13 years 5 months ago
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Rapid Redux would qualify as some sort of "peoples' horse" in the USA right now, but a champion? Not even close.

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Re: Re: Overrated horse by trainer

13 years 5 months ago
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I posted this last year!

BRITAIN'S worst racehorse, Quixall Crossett, returned from a 15-month absence last week to prove that it was as slow as ever. The horse is now on course to become the first thoroughbred to lose 100 consecutive races.

An unwanted place in the record books awaits the 15-year-old bay gelding after it finished a remote last of four at Wetherby - at odds of 33-1 - on the 98th run of a dismal career. The performance showed its die-hard fans that recovery from a tendon injury had done nothing to jeopardise its 100 per cent losing streak.

Over the next few weeks, Quixall Crossett will run twice more before being considered for a well-earned retirement by its trainer, Ted Caine, who also bred the horse at his farm at Fangdale Beck, near Middlesbrough.


The horse's losing run stretches back almost 11 years to its course debut at Doncaster in 1990. Since then, it has almost invariably either not completed the race or finished long after the winner.

There have been few - if any - flashes of talent as it stuck its neck out in search of elusive glory, racing at prices of up to 500-1. The horse has twice finished second and five times third, but this was usually when most of its rivals fell.

The Racing Post, the newspaper devoted to the sport, once said of its efforts: "Seriously slow maiden in danger of becoming a folk hero. Ran a cracker by his standards when he was second of two finishers in May."

Its total prize money of almost £10,000 for being placed makes only a small dent in its substantial stabling, training and racing costs. On average, it costs almost £20,000 to buy a racehorse and more than £14,000 a year to train it, although Mr Caine's costs are lower because he bred the horse, trains it and transports it to the track himself.

Every day, Quixall Crossett is ridden out by Mr Caine, his wife Joy or Geoff Sanderson, his stable lad. Mr Caine, 58, said: "He's a real character - a born survivor. He looks after himself on the racecourse but, then again, he also looks after his jockey. He's had a few falls, but no one has ever got hurt. He still enjoys [racing] and while he's doing that we won't retire him. He wouldn't keep going round on his own at the back of the field if he didn't like it."

Like all thoroughbreds, Quixall Crossett, celebrates its birthday on New Year's Day. Tomorrow, it turns 16 - an age when most racehorses have long headed off for pasture. As it continues turning defeat into an art form, the old slowcoach remains the Caines' pride and joy.

It races in the colours - white with blue spots and purple sleeves and cap - of their daughter, Karen Woodhead, the official owner. It owes its name to a footballer and a farm: Albert Quixall, the former Manchester United and England forward whose skills Mr Caine had always admired, and High Crossett Farm, where the Caines live.

Since Quixall Crossett broke the previous British losing record of Amrullah - with a mere 74 defeats - three years ago, it has developed a growing fan club and has inspired a website tracing its woeful career.

Mr Sanderson, the stable lad who organises the site and fan club, admits that he no longer expects victory when he watches the horse run.Mr Sanderson said: "I just want to see him enjoy himself and come back safe and sound."

Brough Scott, the racing broadcaster and columnist for The Telegraph, said: "The unbelievable thing about Quixall Crossett is that he keeps coming back for more. You have to hand it to the old boy - he has got racing completely sussed. He has found a very clever way of getting his oats with the minimum of effort."


Quixall Crossett, the English-based steeplechaser with no wins in 103 career starts, has been retired.

The 18-year-old son of Beverley Boy out of Grange Classic, by Stype Grange, last raced on November 18, 2001, at Ayr, losing by at least 100 lengths after unseating his rider. Trainer Ted Caine was warned by the British Jockey Club in January that he was in danger of losing his license due to concerns over Quixall Crossett's welfare. Caine has not had a runner since, Racing Post reports.

Quixall Crossett's losing streak attracted a following that included a fan club and Web site in his honor. He still receives Christmas cards, including one from former English soccer player Albert Quixall, for whom he was named.

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Re: Re: Overrated horse by trainer

13 years 5 months ago
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Deja Vu ... We have debated this issue of what constitutes a champion before. Seems to me that the lines between good horse and champion are blurred, according to opinion. We have even had, well thought through, opinions (from people that deserve respect) suggesting that Igugu is not a champion on this forum. I don't agree with them.

To be fair though PP should not be classified as a champion yet. That AZZ man had a double protion of eggs benedict (XV!) on his face after his "over the top" assemsment of PP chances in his last race. (Didn't he vehemently argue with Deez to make his point?). Even if it was the virus that was too blame a man with his experience should know better than that.

It is very dangerous listening to anyone who tips horses! Especially trainers and Jocks, who for the most part mean well by tipping their horses, as their opinion seems to carry an undeniable weight.

It is a very very difficult thing to win a horse race considering all the variables that count against horse and rider...and punter. Rather follow ones own assesment and take the rest as a pinch of salt.

My Azzie could do with a spin doctor or spokesperson to tone down his rhetoric when it comes to his runners inmho. I do however, enjoy his character and "prize fighter" type outbursts . Most entertaining!

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Re: Re: Overrated horse by trainer

13 years 5 months ago
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Just mayb, just maybe PP will win thr derby in CT!? Is entered

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Re: Re: Overrated horse by trainer

13 years 5 months ago
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I would not playa hate on potala palace just yet after all hes form was franked wth GMGL winning the queens plate.Rember he is by singspiel a sire whos progeny are best over more ground later in the careers.With the espsom nd irish derby winners in his dam lines it all points to the sa derby as the azzman has said.If he runs in the cape derby he should be in the lookout for a fellow highlands farm stud bred 3year old brother named JACKSON who might be supplemented.

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