Karl Neisius

magiclips Wrote:

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> PeeKay Wrote:
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> > Like i said, i am not interested in any figures
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> > results. This just happens too often and the
> > punters must keep this in mind.
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> That's a bit self contradictory, isn't it?


Perhaps it is Magic, but i have opened a thread about Jockeys betting as i have heard on more than 1, no 5 occassions that Karl plays PA's. Now you make your own mind up

Oh, and Karl Neisius has had 213 rides to December 13th.

Nobody is saying that Karl is a saint, because none of us is really, but I'm more amused than anything else how people keep banging this particular drum without bringing any facts into play.

Magic if you want to bring the facts into play.....all of his rides where he has finished in the top 3, i bet he had them bankers in his PA. Where he ran unplaced with favourites (majority), i bet he never even had them in his PA. These favourites are exactly where most of the publics tickets lay and this is how to manipulate the PA payout.

This is my opinion. So if these guys are laying bets, then this is a big problem!

Where there is smoke there is fire.......

MATHEW...THE FACTS AREN'T AVAILABLE...BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS TO SKIN THE CAT....BUT PATTERNS AND TRENDS DOES MAKE US QUESTION RESULTS FROM TIME TO TIME....MATHEW ,U ASK.....WHY IS THIS DRUM BANGED SO OFTEN...THIS IS SO...BECAUSE ITS HAPPENNING SO OFTEN...NOW PPL. TALK ABOUT TOP JOCKEYS RIDING SO MANY FALSE FAVOURITES....BUT YOU NEVER HEAR US BANGING THAT DRUM ABOUT MARCUS OR DELPECH.THE PROBLEM WE DONT HAVE REAL STATS...IS BECAUSE...THE AUTHORITIES THAT BE...WOULDN'T ALLOW EXCHANGE BETTING....IF WE HAD THAT TYPE OF BETTING...AND THE CORRECT POLICING OF IT....I AM SURE THERE WOULD MORE TO THE FORE...THAN JUST BANGING OUR DRUMS...OR OUR HEAD FOR THAT MATTER...

WHAT WOULD U HAVE SAID TO ME..IF I TOLD U A YEAR AGO...THAT GREG FAIRLEY AND PAUL DOE..WERE GUILTY OF SCULL DUGGERY...U WOULD HAVE SAID THE SAME THING...AS U ARE SAYING ABOUT KARL

I live in East London Gregbucks!

PeeKay Wrote:

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> Magic if you want to bring the facts into
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God forbid!! Actually look at the facts. Seriously, are you an idiot?

@ racing guru,

you are 10000% correct. I am on BETFAIR all the time and just by watching the market you can see which one is cold. Recently in Zim (yes zim) in a race where the ammount traded was circa £3k someone was LAYING the fav (8/10) for as much as you wanted in the WIN market @ 7/4 and in the PLACE market @ EVENS it ran nowhere.

I watch this guys horses like a hawk and when they are cold on betfair they DONT WIN that is a fact

Having said all the above,

THE PA is one of the best bets around and he would have to be a robot or from mars to think that he could NOT influence the payouts. So as a human i would take 1.01 that if the honest jockey does take pa's i could well believe that some would not be included.

Jack Dash Wrote:

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> > Magic if you want to bring the facts into
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> God forbid!! Actually look at the facts.
> Seriously, are you an idiot?


Yes Jack, i am the idiot

Look at the horse WORLD RECORD

someone is trying to lay it ALL day long at

1.46 £1400
1.47 £555

Total "matched" on the race so far £1743 this is in the PLACE market.

Now i am sure it can run a place BUT for me i LAY it as well

that horse was very very very cold, inspite of this it "got up " for 3rd