do we need owners in racing?

Barry,you right horseracing needs horses(riders and trainers) it's true yanks aren't completely braindead!
The thread is about WHO has to own them FFS. Try and stay with the programme.
The rest of your ravings are pointless because they are about what might have been....you and DuP should get together and cry on each others shoulder.
Bookmakers take bets on many sports,so racing can't decide their fate,nor can they stop them betting on their product,in fact they can't even stop them offering a "tote" product.It is time to strategise around that fact,instead of wishing it wasn't so.
You can badmouth bookmakers as much as you like but words aint going to change anything!

As a punter I ll bet on the colour of the queens panty,long as I win I dnt care what's the bet type

Barry I thought you were a smart ol toppie,the question I posed was a dig @ the sa operaters who treat owners like shit

Furthermore as a punter I honestly take no interest in who owns the horse albeit when a bottom feeder trainer suddenly gets a horse from one of the big boys ,then I look carefully cos this trainer will try his hardest to get results for the trainer in the hope he gets more handouts

I understand where you coming from Barry,after all its you job to dupe gullible ppl into investing in the ponies and then hoping to sell them off to men of dubious reputation

Your reference to dubai makes no sense,its the super rich racing against the mega rich

I bet if all owners fall away in hong kong ,the hkjc will be able to fund all the trainers and their turnover will still be the highest in the world

You need to understand punters dnt care who owns the horse,long as it runs ,we ll have a bet

Racing can survive without punters ? What rubbish !!

As an owner with quite a few horses I think its a great question..the stakes vs costs are now becoming prohibitive..Ive had a horse at Onderstepoort since Friday..ie 5 days and the bill which has had to be paid each day is now at R3ok..its a disgrace

Soodum you are right and I appologize if my previous post was a little emotion filled. I had no right to call you and idiot or a chop.

I have a business in Malaga. They have a racetrack there and a number of well located and well advertized Bettingshops (tote outlets). When I visited in July these betting shops were fareing well and taking in the International Product. I was even able to whatch my horses compete in SA.

At the track the operator built 320 boxes and purchased horses from around the world. I am not sure how the training works but nobody could give me any information on Owning in Spain.

I have just got back from Malaga and they now have 1 to 2 meetings a month. All the Betting Shops have closed down due to lack of interest. I was able to speak to someone who was in the know about the bettingshops and he said there was a lack of interest in the product as the punters were not involved with the horses. In July there were alot of British tourists who were betting on the UK racing.

Can horseracing survive without the owner? This was the question you posed.

Financially if the amount spent by owners on Keep, Training, Vets and the purchasing of horses is less than the operators pay out in stakes then logically it could.

This would however require the operators to keep the product as interesting as it is now and they would have to make sure that the competition, or dare I say sport, is maintained when the owner of all the horses does not really care what happens in a race provided the punters bet on it.

As implied by you this could be done by fuelling the competition between the Jockeys and Trainers who would not, I have to assume, work on a wage that is directly related to the outcome of the race so would also not really care as long as the punters bet on it, after all that is how they would get paid.

So yes it could probably survive but I submit it would not survive for long and in the interest of profit and based on the product that would evolve very soon you would be betting on virtual racing.

Truth be told racing is what it is because it takes all types to make it work. I have always been the first to admit that we need the punter to participate as much as possible so that stakes can be as high as possible to assist the owners in there plight.

So I will never moan again about the plight of the owner if you undertake to never moan again about the plight of the punter.

A highly unlikely scenario so why don't we just appreciate eachother for our input and the enjoyment we all get out of the game.

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> I think that a high number of the horses racing in
> Hong Kong belong to the racing club?

And Mauritius used to once upon a time..

Speaking to those very involved in racing there will come a time very soon when the current financial situation in the industry forces many out..those who are sucking the game dry here will also suffer..I say to them "rather take less for longer than as much as you can now"

I would think that if South African horses were owned by the tote racing would die quickly - Without the personalities involved racing would lose it's appeal that sets it aside from other gambling codes - I would say that if Racing from South Africa had to stop for 3 months due to AHS the totes would be closed in no time as the few dedicated punters would not want to punt their lives away on Foreign Racing. Owners, Punters, Trainers, Breeders, Jocks etc are all equally important to the profitability of the industry but some are definitely more Equal than others!

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Alls good orange

will Meree beat Potala lol thats a more serious issue