RA member expectations list

Don ,someone told me it was 30%

Don Wrote:

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> also another question please RA:
>
> what % of total owners in SAF does the RA
> represent


Approx. 30%

Frodo Wrote:

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> With all due respect, I can't believe that 'the
> economic climate' is a valid reason; in the case
> of barrier trails, for example, why can't these be
> combined with the current 'starting stall
> certification' - just make the horses 'going
> through the stalls' gallop for 800m and record the
> result?
>
> Has any studies been done to estimate the costs
> involved?


Barrier trials will only be useful if the information gained from them is accurate in all respects. Therefore the idea that they could just be an addition to the starting stall process at minimal extra effort and cost is not correct. The barrier trials would need to be subject to standard race rules to ensure that they reflect the horses true ability. Issues such as interference, jockey’s not riding effectively, underfoot conditions, etc would void the results and put the punter in a worse position. Therefore, until the funds are available for the trials to be carried out at a professional and trustworthy manner, they will not be held.

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> Surely scales cannot be a major cost factor -
> owners/punters should know the weight of their
> runners
> A previous question that has not been answered -
> If it has I have not read the answer and
> apologise
> Does the RA support the formation of a NATIONAL
> PUNTERS ASSOCIATION?


The main cost of weighing the horses is not the capital, but the on-going operational costs. Durban and Cape Town used to weigh the horses, but the data was not as accurate as it should have been and therefore caused confusion and problems for the punter. I will take this request to the next industry liaison meeting to see if it would be possible to implement it at an acceptable cost and level of accuracy.


What will be the vision and mission of the punters association ?. I also need to know how the members would be made-up as they would need to represent punters from all levels. This will be presented to the board for support.

The RA does, in theory, support the formation of a punter’s association, the actual support thereof is based on the associations values and representation.

RA Wrote:

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> Frodo Wrote:
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> > With all due respect, I can't believe that 'the
> > economic climate' is a valid reason; in the
> case
> > of barrier trails, for example, why can't these
> be
> > combined with the current 'starting stall
> > certification' - just make the horses 'going
> > through the stalls' gallop for 800m and record
> the
> > result?
> >
> > Has any studies been done to estimate the costs
> > involved?
>
>
> Barrier trials will only be useful if the
> information gained from them is accurate in all
> respects. Therefore the idea that they could just
> be an addition to the starting stall process at
> minimal extra effort and cost is not correct. The
> barrier trials would need to be subject to
> standard race rules to ensure that they reflect
> the horses true ability. Issues such as
> interference, jockey’s not riding effectively,
> underfoot conditions, etc would void the results
> and put the punter in a worse position. Therefore,
> until the funds are available for the trials to be
> carried out at a professional and trustworthy
> manner, they will not be held.


Point taken, but have to mention in terms of 'accurate in all respects'; if that is the norm then surely the estimated (and highly misleading) 400 to finish times in the Computaform (the official race card nowadays) should be done away with?

I'm afraid I cannot see the hidden cost of horse mass - Stipes on duty should actually make use of this info already and should have a data base set up - decemination of info cannot be expensive - surely this info is far more critical to the industry than having RA girls presenting gifts etc and holding up banners - Calibration of scales should be a standard item as per manufactors instruction - The clerk of scales can easily garner horse mass - Punter's Association details are still not finalised but WILL represent ALL PUNTERS big or small

staging barrier trials on a race day pre the first race would meet all of these requirements?
what was the reason again why it was dropped last time??

No doubt it's got to be the R.A. in my opinion.

yet once again, this time at Christmas lunch the topic came about that horse " THE ACHIEVER " cause my nephew has a share in the horse.

below from trainer John Vos on 03 Nov. I think this is the LAST update we have about this horse, on this website... CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.


> Regarding the "Achiever"

> The following was received from Mr Vos today. ( 03 nov 2010 )
>
> The Achiever had her first jump at the pens
> today.
> She will be sent back for another jump two weeks
> from today and will be ready to be nominated after
> that.
> I am happy with her progress and will keep you
> updated.
>
> Kind regards,
> John Vos

This message is virtually 2 months old now...... " will keep you updated "...... my nephew has heard exactly NIL from anyone about this horse, in the last few months.

A bigger R.A. flop you couldn't find.... oh unless you want to compare it with the 3 horses the R.A. bought about 4 years ago...... costing 1 Mil. in total I believe.
Alec laird got one of those horses, Terry Louw , another & maybe Brett Warren the other. I think at least 1 of these 3 never made it to the track, & i think the best results achieved was maybe 4 or 5 wins from one of them. IT's going to be difficult to choose which was the BIGGER WASTE OF TIME & MONEY.

Has anyone bothered to tell these 19 " achievers " they've got to start paying for the keep of this horse in about 6 - 8 months time ! They'll be over the moon to hear this good news.... & I wonder how many have the means or willingness to pay the monthly keep ?

whatever panel or which breeder that selected this horse needs to be taken to task ( was this also not a REPLACEMENT HORSE to the 1st one purchased ) ?

I believe this poor animal has either 1 of 2 problems...... either it's plagued with health / soundness problems, or it can't get out of it's own way...... OTHERWISE WHY THE 1,5 years wait ? 2 months since the last communicae ? & all quiet on the home front.

Should THE ACHIEVER make it to the track SOON... how on earth are they going to get all 19 owners interested enough to get to the races ?....... I know give them free food & drink & MAYBE they'll do it agin...... isn't it funny how history can repeat itself.

another point....... stakes are being REDUCED cause of our hard economic times & betting turnover is declining / affecting our stakes pot.

HOW ON EARTH THEN CAN THE R.A. HAVE ADDED BONUS RACES IN THE FORTHCOMING YEAR ? Does the R.A. think that these EXTRA BONUS races are going to entice non R.A. members to join their association ? think again guys, other sites I have read recently state that LESS THAN 1/3 of all owners belong to the R.A.

lets not forget about the hefty INCREASES in nomination fees in the New Year.

let's not for get about the R.A. representation in HONG KONG for J.J.'s race.

Yes R.A. I certainly believe you deserve this title fairly & squarely.

Elvis we posted the minutes from the RA agm ,sure the RA have 1200 owners and only 20 odd could be ersed to turn up,either people/members are happy with what they got or have just gave up?