Calling 2 cents

2cents,is this the same NHA who(by their own admission) have never suspended a horse for inconsistent form,as required,by their own rule?
Must I presume that these type of formlines don't exist then?....how many examples of serial offenders would you like me to "thumbsuck" for you,with the appropriate evidence? Sporting Post record the "MR" of each run ,of each horse,so tracking inconsistency is right there for all to see.
When they re-write their rules and then enforce them I will be the first to give them the respect I would like to see them deserve.

Rob you misread my question, i clearly stated "regarding these 2 incidents". I never asked you to list various others reasons why you don't "trust" them.

It is about CREDIBILITY,is it not?

You are adamant in your refusal to listen Rob, so therefore another instance that potentially could've been resolved won't be. And more doubt, on your behalf, has crept in unnecessarily.

2 cents you miss one massive point. Credibility and consistancy - I did not see the incident but if Rob is correct in his assessment, 95% of punters sitting in the tote would have seen it as Rob did. They are certainly not going to call the NHA. They probably dont know what the NHA is. How do you suggest they deal with these people, or are they not important enough to deserve an explanation?

Was this the race in question?

THE STARTER REPORTED

a) VARIANT (App A Domeyer) was fractious in the stalls, dropping his head down as the start was effected losing three lengths and thereafter flyjumped losing a further three lengths.

THE STIPENDIARY STEWARDS REPORTED

a) Jockey W Agrella replaced Jockey F Coetzee on VLADIVOSTOK.

b) In view of the above report from the Starter concerning VARIANT, Trainer M Bass will be advised that this colt’s starting stall certificate has been withdrawn, in terms of Rule 61.6.10, and he may not be presented for re-certification within the next seven days, in terms of Rule 61.1.4. He may not be entered, or started, to race until he is passed tractable in terms of Rule 50.1.3.2.

c) The start was reviewed by the Stipendiary Board and VARIANT (App A Domeyer) was seen to put his head down as the start was effected, was not impeded and therefore was declared a runner.

d) Apprentice A Domeyer, the rider of VARIANT, reported that the saddle on this colt slipped sideways shortly after the start resulting in him being unable to fully assist this colt thereafter.

e) At about the 200m mark MACCHIATO (K Neisius) and EARL OF LITCHFIELD (P Strydom) brushed and thereafter Jockey P Strydom, the rider of EARL OF LITCHFIELD, momentarily dropped his off side rein.

f) BLANIC (M Byleveld), the winner, was selected for the taking of specimens for analysis. Trainer V Marshall was advised. (T Norval)

g) EARL OF LITCHFIELD (P Strydom), the 2nd placed horse, was selected for the taking of specimens for analysis. Trainer S Elley was advised. (T Norval)

THE VETERINARY SURGEON REPORTED

a) VARIANT (App A Domeyer) returned with a mouth injury. (Dr M Ledger)

b) MOTORIZED (C Puller) returned coughing. (Dr M Ledger)

c) CYCLONE SEASON (App G Wright) returned with a mouth injury. (Dr M Ledger)

CHANGES

MACCHIATO (K Neisius) raced fitted with blinkers.

SCRATCHINGS

a) ITALIAN LAKES (BRZ) (O Noach) – coughing. Rule 53.5 applies. (Trainer D Kannemeyer)

b) KEEP WALKING (App G van Niekerk) – not eating up. Rule 53.5 applies. (Trainer W G Prestage)

RESULT
PLACING NO. HORSE TRAINER JOCKEY DISTANCE BETTING
1ST 5 BLANIC V MARSHALL M BYLEVELD **** 7/2
2ND 3 EARL OF LITCHFIELD S ELLEY P STRYDOM 1¾ 4/1
3RD 2 MACCHIATO D KANNEMEYER K NEISIUS Head 11/2
4TH 4 VLADIVOSTOK J SNAITH W AGRELLA ¾ 15/1
5TH 1 CANUTE W PRESTAGE R KHATHI ¾ 8/1

Yes it is Dave, just a pity Rob edited how he saw the event unfold as i clearly remember that nowhere in his post did he mention that Variant's head was down.

Alcaponee please read my 2nd post on this thread. 95% of punters sitting in a tote never saw it as Rob did, Rob has the privilege of owning a PVR.

Rob view the start once more, then post your final opinion. I hope you will and that you haven't taken some mahala advice from somebody else, who also happens to have false accusations (ha ha can you believe that!).

2cents,you have worked with "P" too long.As you grow up,you will learn that it is they who use smoke and mirrors.I have not edited any part of my observation whatsoever.
You will note that,in my post,I talk about the front view.....with the stalls closed,I didn't try to guess as to where the head was,as it is blocked by the gates.
You will also note that the stipes report that ,as the horse was NOT impeded,they decided on their action.NOW on Sat ,when the horse was ALSO NOT impeded,a false start was called,which I disagreed with,but which you scoffed at....remember.

NB..........My point,at the beginning of this thread,is that both actions cannot be correct!

Of course ,if you are remunerated by Racing,you just agree with everything as you have done,and fail to see the irony of your position!

Sorry, found it.

2cents,I assume you also agree that the strange tote dividends are caused by an Aussie,using lucky numbers.........cos the authorities say so !
How lucky they were to find such a suitable colleague.

Your comment regarding not guessing where the horse's head was says it all....that you are also human and able to miss out on significant occurences.

Have you bothered viewing it again? No, and you won't, because regarding this instance you "overlooked" the actual cause and wouldn't want to admit to it.

Anyway i feel as if we are going around in circles...play well today.

PS when you in town please join me for some expensive champagne....

rob faux Wrote:

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> 2cents,I assume you also agree that the strange
> tote dividends are caused by an Aussie,using lucky
> numbers.........cos the authorities say so !
> How lucky they were to find such a suitable
> colleague.

Talk about smoke and mirrors....bringing up tote dividends, inconsistency, past cedibility, archaic rules and not enforcing them...brilliant!