Form Study in KZN to be Much Harder With New Move

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2 months 4 days ago #775899 by naresh
Eish. This is not good move in my opinion. Will make form study much more harder as allotted weights of horses will not be in descending order like before.

www.sportingpost.co.za/2019/11/kzn-barrier-draws/

Gold Circle and Hollywoodbets have announced that in an exciting change, beginning 1 December 2019 and on a trial basis for 3 months, the carded horse number will reflect the barrier draw of the horse for all races in KwaZulu-Natal.

In a change from the traditional top-weight-down, or alphabetical order, horses will now be carded according to barrier positions, regardless of the allocated weights.

Whilst this breaks with the traditional system used to allocate card numbers in South African racing, it will serve the purpose of making it easier for newcomers and racing fans in general to follow their selections from the saddle cloth number and standardised saddle cloth colour, through to the starting stalls where the number and colour will be clearly displayed.

Reserve runners will no longer be allocated a barrier draw, but should there be a scratching, the reserve will automatically take up the barrier of the scratched horse that it replaces.

“This move aligns our racing with international standards currently used in the USA and South America, and will make our KZN product more attractive to international racing punters, which in turn will increase turnovers in commingled pools”, said Raf Sheik, Racing Executive of Gold Circle.

Brand and Communications Manager for Hollywoodbets, Devin Heffer, added: “As partners with Gold Circle, this is another joint initiative to differentiate KZN Racing, to generate interest and provide something new to our current racegoers, and make racing brighter, easier to follow and more appealing to newcomers to our wonderful sport. This trial period will run in conjunction with the Hollywoodbets Sizzling Summer Challenge, details of which will be released soon.”
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2 months 4 days ago #775901 by naresh
I have noticed tomorrow at Greyville, they have

a Graduation Handicap
a Progress Handicap

Never seen that before :unsure:

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2 months 4 days ago #775922 by mickeyblue
I'm all for innovation but this is a horrendous idea. I can deal with the different coloured saddle cloths and the numbered armbands being worn by the jocks now but that's where it stops. Would the NHA have had any input on this?

“This move aligns our racing with international standards currently used in the USA and South America" - Daft comment. Not international standard, just one used by USA and South America.

"will make KZN product more attractive to international racing punters, which in turn will increase turnovers in commingled pools” - We don't care much for our local customers anymore

"this will provide something new to our current racegoers" - I can bet that not a single existing punter has asked for anything like this. Not even once.

Is this really something that can be considered to be progress and good for the game?
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2 months 4 days ago #775926 by Mac
Interesting.
I’ve always wondered “why not”.
But please don’t adopt the outriders.


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2 months 4 days ago - 2 months 4 days ago #775927 by Bob Brogan
Losing the plot, what next?

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2 months 4 days ago #775931 by mr hawaii
Maybe lets take sensible rules from the USA like the Objection rules - This is just plain STUPID -
easier to follow and more appealing to newcomers to our wonderful sport.
There are NO NEWCOMERS of any substantial amount and a crazy nonsensical move like this can only help to lose the few loyal punters left in the game - Who thought of this? Someone from the Casino Industry?

THE MORE YOU STUDY FORM THE LUCKIER YOU GET
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2 months 4 days ago #775936 by mickeyblue

mr hawaii wrote: Who thought of this? Someone from the Casino Industry?


First thought was that this was something initiated by bookmaker sponsor with view to introducing a wave of new lucky number type bets.

Not sure why anyone would want to boldly proclaim adopt anything remotely related to US racing at the moment given the scrutiny that the industry is under there.
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2 months 4 days ago #775937 by Tigershark
What is the point of merit rating then?????

Clearly the rocket scientists behind this strongly disagree with Jeff Bezos and he has it completely wrong with "start with your customer and work backwards"

SO this will make it easier for people new to racing? What trite, besides its not important to do anything for the customers currently betting beside confuse them.
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2 months 4 days ago #775942 by naresh

Tigershark wrote: What is the point of merit rating then?????

Clearly the rocket scientists behind this strongly disagree with Jeff Bezos and he has it completely wrong with "start with your customer and work backwards"

SO this will make it easier for people new to racing? What trite, besides its not important to do anything for the customers currently betting beside confuse them.


One of the key aspects analyzing form is ratings. The horse with the highest rating is normally number 1 and all other ratings below that follow. Even in Graduation plates, Novice races, etc, the horse with the highest rating is number one followed by others. This method makes it so much easier to find out which runners are under sufferance.

Hence my topic heading because everything will be jumbled up and form studying therefore will be much harder.
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2 months 3 days ago #775950 by louisg
KZN boyz are innovative, the leaders in SA Racing. I am proud to be a KZN Trainer and Gold Circle have my full support, as they innovate and push new ideas .

However, this one does not make sense to me. I could be proven wrong, but imho, we have already made it difficult for Punters with MR, draw bias etc. Now we make it more difficult and time consuming for them to study form.
Are we purposely trying to create losers, for carryover's sake ? Winners and losers both contribute to tote and tote is not effected, cannot lose. Bookies, of course, gain from losers.

The problem is that if we keep Punters losing, we keep losing Punters.

This is why I have always preferred the Operators to concentrate on their tote and not buy bookmaking rights etc.

That's just my opinion. I pray for a shining light to awaken me and show me that I am wrong....
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2 months 3 days ago #775951 by Deeno
Absolute tripe.

Please listen to the punters. Don't even go there.
This format will confuse the punter even further.
I hope Sporting Post don't change to this format.

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2 months 3 days ago #775952 by Deeno

louisg wrote: KZN boyz are innovative, the leaders in SA Racing. I am proud to be a KZN Trainer and Gold Circle have my full support, as they innovate and push new ideas .

However, this one does not make sense to me. I could be proven wrong, but imho, we have already made it difficult for Punters with MR, draw bias etc. Now we make it more difficult and time consuming for them to study form.
Are we purposely trying to create losers, for carryover's sake ? Winners and losers both contribute to tote and tote is not effected, cannot lose. Bookies, of course, gain from losers.

The problem is that if we keep Punters losing, we keep losing Punters.

This is why I have always preferred the Operators to concentrate on their tote and not buy bookmaking rights etc.

That's just my opinion. I pray for a shining light to awaken me and show me that I am wrong....


I agree with your comments entirely. GC wants to create losers.
My prediction is that turnovers will drop. We want punters into the game ...not driving them away.

I shudder to think what will happen to turnovers when the current age group and the big punters are no more.

The youngsters of today are not really interested in punting in horse racing.

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2 months 3 days ago #775953 by Thor
Old dogs, stop biting the new trick before it has begun. I am usually very critical but I also feel like maybe this will bring about some change in the utterly boring kzn meetings of late.

It will take some getting used to, yes, but the harder the challenge the better the payouts. I feel this method opens the door for some value picks to be found if the time is put in.

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2 months 3 days ago #775982 by MAJMU
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2 months 3 days ago #775986 by Sylvester
i would have restricted this change to Maiden Plates , graduation Plates, Novice plates and restricted races.

The Handicaps should be left as is. going to make life way more challenging for the punter.

they should have consulted on the change prior to making the change and also run a pilot meeting and then gathered feedback, checked turn over , win loss ratios etc before making this chnage.

Punters will punish them for this

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2 months 3 days ago #775989 by mickeyblue

Sylvester wrote: i would have restricted this change to Maiden Plates , graduation Plates, Novice plates and restricted races.

The Handicaps should be left as is. going to make life way more challenging for the punter.

they should have consulted on the change prior to making the change and also run a pilot meeting and then gathered feedback, checked turn over , win loss ratios etc before making this chnage.

Punters will punish them for this


I would restrict it to Barrier Trials

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1 month 4 weeks ago #776320 by Sammy Silver
Yes I tried studying for 1 December 2019 and it is a @@@@#up.

Why fix something that is not broken FFS!!!!
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1 month 4 weeks ago #776323 by Tigershark
If anyone has a look at the MR races then the pattern of horses No.1 & No.2 finishing in the first three positions is obvious. I raise this because not everyone has the time to study form for every meeting and quite often in the exotic bets some punters add no's 1&2 out of habit along with their selections based on the MR system.

There may well be some method to the madness, although I do not see it, however what does really irk me is the way this has been done. There will for sure be better margins at the bookies on MR races when you have punters that don't understand the change...

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1 month 4 weeks ago #776335 by LSU
Good points from everyone and this is a radical change that should perhaps have been consulted on first from the punting public. Since they are going ahead with it anyway can they not just help punters with an additional racehorse summary in the different form guides that list the runners in ratings order.
Could be a different section at the back or front if they do not want to add it race by race. Should not be to difficult to do this and will all but eliminate the problem.

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1 month 4 weeks ago #776466 by Thor
Having now attempted to study the card. I take back what I said. This is a rubbish idea. All it does is make the race easier to follow on TV. Not much else. Complicates things for no reason at all. I don't see this "trial" lasting too long. The only winners here are the bookies.
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