KZN commentator has a go at Barrier trials

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11 months 1 week ago #764624 by Sylvester
did not seem to happy with Torrent run in race 3.

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11 months 1 week ago #764625 by MissT
Yeah Sly cant make out who's side he is on??? But clearly having a dip which seems a little unprofessional whichever side he chooses. His son clearly pointed out that Torrent barrier trial was not working out and the race proved him correct. So not sure what that was all about. Just didnt sound good imo.

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11 months 1 week ago #764628 by harry hotspur
His son tipped torrent on the show this morning and showed the barrier trial replay..Time for change

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11 months 1 week ago #764631 by Hurley
my take... the principal proponent of the trials and him aren't the best of buddies
that has been my impression for a while

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11 months 1 week ago #764632 by MissT
Yes Harry he did tip it this morning but his pre race summary he clearly changed his mind pointing out that horses behind him in the barrier trial had all run poorly since. Whichever way you look at it the barrier trials are more confusing than helpful imo.
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11 months 1 week ago #764639 by PC
Recall Shaun Veale "warning" punters to be weary of Barrier Trials. He wasn't very diplomatic about it...
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11 months 1 week ago #764653 by Dave Scott
We have massive threads on the site with pros and cons which were regarded as nonsense and that barrier trials were the answer to our prayers and did not warrent further air time.

I had numerous inputs via site and by email to suggest the possible flaws

1) to show a horse looks a cert next time on the track to inflate price to a naive buyer
2) to hold back horses that are flying machines to get a decent price

A great suggestion was to make the trial transparent was to use the finishing places help qualify when entering a maiden to ensure you get preference over other nominations
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11 months 1 week ago #764677 by neigh
Dave just scrap the shit !! Why even try and correct an absolute waste of time ?

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11 months 1 week ago #764679 by the hawk
Every one is entitled to a view but amazing that racing in Hong Kong; Australia; New Zealand and other racing jurisdictions would not prosper without Barrier Trials. That said, I think we can improve the relevance of our Trials by tightening the rules a bit.

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11 months 1 week ago #764683 by Thor
I'm just curious about why the person being paid to commentate on the race being run thinks that the "experts" need to justify anything to him..

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11 months 1 week ago #764684 by MissT
At last!! Well said Thor.

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11 months 1 week ago #764686 by neigh
Who are these "experts" you are referring to ?

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11 months 1 week ago #764687 by BATMAN

the hawk wrote: Every one is entitled to a view but amazing that racing in Hong Kong; Australia; New Zealand and other racing jurisdictions would not prosper without Barrier Trials. That said, I think we can improve the relevance of our Trials by tightening the rules a bit.



Agree fully,I still find them useful, rules need to be in place.I remember years ago in the 90, s the barrier trial at milnerton racecourse,some horse had to do more than one trial to qualify to run.For example the trial that durban had yesterday where only two horses showed a time of just under 60 second for 1000 m Scottsville,and the rest of the field showed between 61 and 77 seconds for 1000 meters sprint.The 61 and up should have to do another trial as according to times they are not ready.
Job and cpt need them.

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11 months 1 week ago - 11 months 1 week ago #764688 by Biggie626
Probably want my "Expert" opinion
B) B) B)

If a 2year old runs 1st/2nd/3rd/4th (under 3 to 4 lengths) to merit rated runners in a barrier trail,the 2year old has a good chance of finishing in the placings or winning on Race day

:blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: that is how I look at barrier trails :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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11 months 1 week ago - 11 months 1 week ago #764689 by Thor

neigh wrote: Who are these "experts" you are referring to ?


If you caught the post race summary by the commentator to which this post refers, his comments were something like the following - Right, can all those experts out there please come and talk to me about the barrier trials, I've said it before and I'll say it again, the horse needs 2-3 runs (I stand to be corrected on the number). And then he called once more for the experts to please come and talk to him. This entire thing was due to Torrent not running very well yesterday.
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11 months 1 week ago #764690 by Bob Brogan
Wonder what price Sheldon does the july


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11 months 1 week ago #764692 by Muhtiman

Thor wrote:

neigh wrote: Who are these "experts" you are referring to ?


If you caught the post race summary by the commentator to which this post refers, his comments were something like the following - Right, can all those experts out there please come and talk to me about the barrier trials, I've said it before and I'll say it again, the horse needs 2-3 runs (I stand to be corrected on the number). And then he called once more for the experts to please come and talk to him. This entire thing was due to Torrent not running very well yesterday.

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.....clearly having a go at the trainer of Torrent....who just happens to be the biggest advocate of BT....:whistle:

My idea of "help from above" is a sniper on the roof
and a higher power is a hell fire missile armed drone.

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11 months 1 week ago #764696 by neigh
Thanks Thor for clearing that up. My take is, if the commentator, cant read barrier trial form who can ? Punters ? Owners ? In SA BT's are an absolute waste of time and money. They have been introduced by certain people for their own gain, under the auspices of helping the punter.
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11 months 1 week ago #764720 by Sealegs
Nothing's wrong with Craig's comments. In fact he's spot on. And anybody who disagrees, kindly explain how to interpret or find the value of a barrier trial performance.

Ofcourse it's a great idea in theory, but without proper controls or measures, it's a waste of time.

Lastly, how is the value of barrier trials,to all parties concerned, being measured currently??......thought so.

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11 months 6 days ago #764802 by the good
I like Barrier trails and it has nothing to do with my friendship with Paul Laff.
They give the racegoer a chance to see the horse before he has a competitive run.
They give the punter a chance to see the action and maturity of the horse.
They give the horse a soft introduction to racing. This includes the full racing experience.
The horse in question ,Torrent , Did not get a good start and was bumped by the horse on its outside. This cost her ground and she never seemed comfortable in the race after that. Write her off at your peril!
In a nutshell there are far more positives in giving the public a chance to see the horses perform than there are negatives.
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