FRANKEL - 1 hit wonder Sire????

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5 months 1 week ago #760864 by rolands song
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I clearly remember when Frankel went to stud and his first crop if foals were running riot when they made their debuts...everyone was backed like it was a result known and thet came hime smoking....fast forward to our current time..its been a while since a Frankel foal has set the UK alight....is he on a sabbatical????? Or are the fees too much toafford

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5 months 1 week ago #760869 by Andrew the Abstract
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Every top trainer has a Frankel 2 year old in training. I read somewhere that Sir Michael Stoute has about 10 of those at Freemason Lodge Stables. Willy Haggas has about 5. John Gosden obviously has a few. Richard Fahey, Michael Bell, Roger Varian and even upcoming young trainers like Richard Spencer. The season has just started and I can't remember any Frankel-sired 2 year olds out early. And rightly so, their sire only made his debut at Newmarket, right?
Hard to say Frankel is a 1 hit wonder sire, in fact far from it. His stud fee went up from 125k to 175 in 2017, owing to zealous interest. His 2019 programme has a number of blue-chip broodmares lined up already, including Concentric, the dam of Enable (that Nathaniel, 2 time NArc winner).
I think he is by far Banstead Manor Stud's most famous resident with every respect to the likes of Kingsman (who has made more than a ripple in the pond with his start), Expert Eye on his debut sire season who has good support too, the elder Oasis dream and Bated Breath.

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5 months 1 week ago #760876 by Bob Brogan
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What is his actual stats? He’s been sent the best mares on the planet so can’t fail imo.

If he’s not going that great it would be worrying

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5 months 1 week ago #760878 by Muhtiman
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.....quite frankly.....I find him highly over rated.....:ohmy:.....been following his progeny in most of the racing jurisdictions and find that many are thus far mediocre..... :oops:

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5 months 1 week ago #760894 by Andrew the Abstract
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Frankel was the leading sire at 2018's Royal Ascot meeting. The assessment by leading bloodstock experts was that he had outdone any other sire with the rate he was producing black type performers. The stats show that he has a 12% group winners to runners, which is incredibly above any other sire in the Northern Hemisphere.
You would put Frankel, statistically behind his dad, Galileo, who is on a level of his own (stud fee undisclosed!) He is certainly sparring with other leading sires like Dubawi & you would compare him favorably on a global scale with such sires like Tapit in the US and Japanese champion sire Deep Impact.
He already sired a classic winner in Soul Stirring, that filly who did him proud in the Japanese oaks. Rostropovich was runner up in the Irish Derby. Cracksman, his retired brilliant son is his most successfull progeny to date, you would have to say.
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5 months 1 week ago #760896 by Muhtiman
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.....with all the hype.....frankly one would expect much more....:whistle:

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5 months 1 week ago #760901 by Andrew the Abstract
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He has done incredibly well stats wise, and pretty sure Juddmonte are happy with returns. Expect his name to crop up again at Epsom, I see his filly Mehdaayih is up there on ante-post betting, after flooring Manuela de Vega at Chester, although she is yet to be supplemented.
Haggas has said unbeaten Frankellina will take her place in the Musidora stakes at York on Wednesday. She is also a potential player.
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5 months 1 week ago #760904 by Muhtiman
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.....so far a quick extrapolation of what I read here.....it is the female progeny that seem to be doing a lot better.....:huh:

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5 months 1 week ago #760913 by Mac
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Sorry, but LOL for this thread.


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5 months 5 days ago #761079 by Muhtiman
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......one just opened the card at York.....floated the top Fankel with the top Pivotal....for a trifecta....:)

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5 months 5 days ago #761095 by Muhtiman
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Andrew the Abstract wrote: He has done incredibly well stats wise, and pretty sure Juddmonte are happy with returns. Expect his name to crop up again at Epsom, I see his filly Mehdaayih is up there on ante-post betting, after flooring Manuela de Vega at Chester, although she is yet to be supplemented.
Haggas has said unbeaten Frankellina will take her place in the Musidora stakes at York on Wednesday. She is also a potential player.


....pity that Frankellina blew the start....one for the oaks if nominated....:huh:

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4 months 2 weeks ago #762530 by Andrew the Abstract
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Anapurna winning the Oaks and providing Frankel with a 1st British Classic winner, in only his 3rd crop. Some achievement that.

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4 months 2 weeks ago #762549 by Muhtiman
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....did not see or hear the race.....but what happened to Frankellina....: huh:.... went off her after Bonski started touting her.....a place bet on
Fleeting was rather meaty....:)....but getting back to Frankel so another big Oaks after Japan....so its his fillies leading the way......;)

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4 months 2 weeks ago #762985 by EquinePedigrees
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I would love to have an Epsom Oaks winner that is mediocre as Anapurna
I would seriously love to own a horse as mediocre as Cracksman that merely won the Champion Stakes twice, the Coronation Cup and the Prix Ganay
Move to Japan where the obviously mediocre Soul Stirring won the Hanshin Juvenile Fillies and Yushun Himba
Call the Wind would probably be a MR56 in Kimberley but won the Prix du Caran
Dream Castle a seriously moderate horse won the Jebel Hatta
Mozu Ascot couldn't get out of his own way bush racing but managed to win the Yasuda Kinen
Without Parole another really bad horse won the St James's Palace Stakes

What can one do with a stallion that throws winners in 11 countries ?
Over 20 black type winners in that one hit wonders first 76 winners
Sons already at stud all over the world
Reaching 20 Northern Hemisphere Group winners faster than any other stallion in Europe must be properly mediocre
17% Gr winners to foals and 28% black type performers must have breeders wondering why they sent their mares to a stallion that is so mediocre

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4 months 2 weeks ago #763094 by Muhtiman
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......seriously one would like to own anything in the top 3% of best sires best performers including that of Frankel Dubawi Galileo Shamadal ....however according to the stats on Thoroughbred Stallions guide in 2017 in UK/IRE Frankel failed to make the top 30 Sire runners to winners with his 1st crop racing but remarkably was in 3rd position of black type winners for that season...then in 2018 he was rated 20th for Sire runners to winners but went to 5th position with black type winners.....In 2019 he is currently in 8th position runners to winners and 2nd in black type winners....which means that he has a much greater % chance of having winners of group or graded races.... than most of his peers on the rankings....ultimately one is going to have to then pay more for service fee.....and bid much higher in a sales ring....a big bid may secure a wider chance of say as much as 10% of a Black type stakes winner... but still 90% chance of getting something....mediocre....:P

NB these are his best stats taken in UK/IRE only....in Japan they feature high too....USA currently No 21..... does not feature in Europe yet nor in RSA ....where his progeny averaged on sales of over a few ZAR BAR a piece..... MDK ran one of those fillies in this week.....:S

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4 months 2 weeks ago #763098 by Andrew the Abstract
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Well, he stands at 175grand so I'd imagine none of his progeny can go cheap. When one glances at the most expensive yearlings, impeccably bred horses like the infamous Snaafi Dancer, there is never a guarantee of the horse matching the price tag. Cue Andrew Bon's "they don't know what price they are running at or how much they commanded at the sales ring."

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3 months 2 weeks ago #765487 by EquinePedigrees
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I wouldn't arguing with an idiot makes you look like one

But using facts makes the idiot stand out on his own

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3 months 1 week ago #766370 by EquinePedigrees
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And in case you missed this one hit wonder

Gr1 winner at Newmarket Veracious

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3 months 1 week ago #766399 by wonbyamile
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Follow Snaith's General Franco...looks a real horse!

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