General Franco - Offensive or Not ?

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3 months 2 days ago - 3 months 2 days ago #758031 by naresh
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General Franco was very impressive yesterday.

But his namesake, General Franco, was a Spanish Dictator of note. This has been highlighted supposedly by a Spanish person on twitter in reply to Racing Guru video of the win.


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En concreto, la aceptación del nombre “General Franco” por parte de
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3 months 2 days ago #758033 by Dave Scott
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Difficult call in these days of PC
I am at the stage where i feel sorry for just "normal" people. They could now be in the minority. Lol

Back to your post Naresh
I am thinking they probably thought that the horse would dictate over others on the turf?
Ontheotherhanddarren Adolf Hitler may be pushing it .

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3 months 2 days ago #758034 by Bob Brogan
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would have to say should be re named

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3 months 2 days ago #758035 by Bob Brogan
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Especially with the owners being breeders

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3 months 2 days ago #758039 by Tigershark
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If causing the death of 400 000 people is too PC and considered normal then I cant be normal.

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3 months 2 days ago #758040 by Muhtiman
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...... sure there are horses with names of similar war mongers and other generals.....Stalin Napoleon, Amin ,Robert E lee even Jackson.....lets not get too PC on this matter.....as Franco had his supporters too.... as did Hitler.... but cannot see people wanting to buy and race a horse called Hitler.....unless one is a ultra right wing f@ck n@t.....:ohmy:

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3 months 2 days ago #758041 by Bob Brogan
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Franco had no good points muhit

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3 months 1 day ago - 3 months 1 day ago #758044 by Muhtiman
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......that may be so .....but it's not up to the public to judge.....the name has been used here before without objections and thus a precedent stands.....besides who is going to challenge the very connected guy that forked out ZAR4 BAR......all I heard is how the trainer, racing manager and jock talked with the upmost respect for him and how he wanted the horse to be raced.....few owners even with bigger financial clout have not had that much respect....:huh:

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3 months 1 day ago #758046 by Muhtiman
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Bob Brogan wrote: Franco had no good points muhit


.....on the contrary....a little unknown addition to his Wiki profile credits him(his government) for saving approx 45 000 Jews during WW2....:unsure:

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3 months 1 day ago #758055 by Tigershark
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If your going to name your dog or fish Hitler, Amin or Franco then no problem however when your using the name in the public domain there is a different set of rules.

This name definitely qualifies as publicly offensive.

Just my opinion, all disclaimers apply ....

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3 months 1 day ago #758058 by Mac
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We’ve had here Emperor Napoleon.


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3 months 1 day ago #758061 by Muhtiman
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.....and we also had a General Franco a 7 time winner by Northern Guest out of Spanish Treaty....owned by Andre Macdonald and trained by Buddy Maroun....:whistle:

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3 months 1 day ago #758062 by Mac
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What about the fillies? Jezebel was bad.


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3 months 1 day ago #758063 by manwatweet
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Lauren of Rochelle.......... or was it Lauren of La Rochelle in the South?
Who knows what she’s been up to lately...........

As jy dom is moet jy slim wees

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3 months 1 day ago #758064 by Craig Eudey
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IMHO this world has gone far to PC. Are we going to look at every aspect of life, name, action etc to try and find something wrong with it as it is not PC. Banning Noddie and Bigears etc to me is ludicrous. Dont look for a reason to get upset about something. The breeders did not name General Franco because they agreed with everything he did or stood for I am sure. Look at my 2 favourite horses. Scarlet Lady ( a prostitute) Politician ( how many murdering thieving pieces of human excrement have been politicians?) It is the name of a racehorse and that is that. Anyway that is my opinion and apparently I am entitled to it.
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3 months 1 day ago #758067 by naresh
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Some Breeders do give thought into naming foals.

Pale Moon Rising is the dam of General Franco.

Pale Moon Rising

Pale Moon Rising is a 1977 novel by Manning O'Brine. The last of his 11 books about secret agents and their murderous struggles with Nazis both during and after World War II, it was published by Futura in England and by St. Martin's Press in the United States, apparently the same year that O'Brine died. It is narrated by a nameless hero of Italian birth and more than one nationality, who joins the British undercover services in the early days of the war, impelled primarily by a single-minded, overriding desire to kill Germans.

After months of arduous training in all parts of the British Isles, he is parachuted into the French countryside to take up the leadership of a band of a Resistance fighters. Grim and totally with humor, the rest of the book is a straightforward narrative of his brutal and merciless attacks against German targets, his eventual capture by the Gestapo in Paris, the ghastly tortures he undergoes at their hands, and his escape from their heavily guarded prison. In the final pages he makes his way south over a period of weeks to Marseille, garroting or otherwise killing dozens of German troops as he proceeds. The last we see of him, he has urinated into a large soup pot in a restaurant's kitchen, a soup that will be used to feed German officers. He is headed for a small sailboat in which he will try to reach the British sanctuary of Gibraltar—since the book begins many years later with the hero's reflections as he visits the over-grown site of one of his early training camps, we know that he does indeed successfully evade the German forces who have been scouring France for him.
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3 months 1 day ago #758068 by Muhtiman
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......wow....and no coincidence that these breeders have subliminally locked into the owners private passions.....as the very same part owner of FUTURA which we now see is the name of a well known a book publisher and now I too get how he was named Dynasty X Scribbling the Cat.... very clever ....:unsure:

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3 months 1 day ago #758073 by Muhtiman
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naresh wrote: Some Breeders do give thought into naming foals.

Pale Moon Rising is the dam of General Franco.

Pale Moon Rising

Pale Moon Rising is a 1977 novel by Manning O'Brine. The last of his 11 books about secret agents and their murderous struggles with Nazis both during and after World War II, it was published by Futura in England and by St. Martin's Press in the United States
......looked into why Klawervlei are the registered breeders and see that the mare was imported by them in 2017 with little Franco in-vetro.....so it has that tainted Jooste touch....and that I find more offensive than the name that was chosen for him......:S


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3 months 1 day ago - 3 months 1 day ago #758074 by Mac
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Bridget O was very clever in subliminal naming eg Grey’s Inn is out of Great Verdict. Gray’s Inn is an association of lawyers in London. (Gray was changed to Grey because the former had been registered).
As for her daughter Mary, the other side of the spectrum, eg Wonder Lawn.


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3 months 1 day ago #758076 by Muhtiman
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.......the naming of Wonder Lawn has been discussed on local forum before.....as many just did not get it.... and wondered what it had to do with Fort Wood......pedigree Fort Wood X Velvet Green.....Wonder Lawn is actually a branded trade mark for a special grass that can grow in the shade of most trees....:)

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