Azzie / Semela - I find this a bit strange

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1 year 9 months ago #685967 by Bob Brogan
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Not sure why they have sent ( with the help of Bonski) to all the media/websites

In my opinion they protest too much


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1 year 9 months ago #686095 by Dave Scott
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This was the hottie of the day, i watched the USO build up where it showed its last race

The horse was last and ran on strongly in a poor field ( i think Alistar said the race where nobody wanted to win) as the first 2 were shifting about at the finish

So i am sure the plan would have been to hold up and come with strong run up the long Vaal straight?

Instead the horse basically ran out at the first bend, looked a difficult ride and ran in snatches, would like to see Strydom on board next time and all the punters can all get the money back

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1 year 9 months ago #686099 by Muhtiman
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....watched this race from the sales with a few trainers....it seemed like the bit had twisted and got locked.... or if a soft bit was damaged....hence the lack of control.....however the stipes report did not reflect if the equipment was checked post race.... and instead have opened an enquiry.....Mike was not on course.... as I saw him just before the race..... :unsure:

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1 year 9 months ago #686100 by BATMAN
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Stable must have backed it and told everyone it wont lose.To me it looked like the horse wasnt in the mood, i dont think anyone could have gottent him to place.If they are going on like this i would presume they will never use this rider again, but instincts tells me that within couple of months the tears will be flowing in a interview praising this rider for being the best,underated blah blah, seen it all.the usual
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1 year 9 months ago #686135 by durbs
durbs replied the topic: Azzie / Semela - I find this a bit strange
The jockey was still holding the horse at the 100m mark and then decided to ride.Very suspicious this ride.To me there was no way the jockey even wanted to run a place .

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1 year 9 months ago #686139 by mr hawaii
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I really doubt that the rider would endanger his life by purposely riding in such a reckless manner - There were enough opportunities in running where he could have been seriously injured - Way easier to sit way back as is this horse's normal habit and let him go too late if you want to make him no good

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1 year 9 months ago #686141 by naresh
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BATMAN wrote: Stable must have backed it and told everyone it wont lose.To me it looked like the horse wasnt in the mood, i dont think anyone could have gottent him to place.If they are going on like this i would presume they will never use this rider again, but instincts tells me that within couple of months the tears will be flowing in a interview praising this rider for being the best,underated blah blah, seen it all.the usual


Years ago Strydom rode National Currency in the Cape Flying Championship which finished third behind Eli's Game. Azzie said Strydom never came to work the horse and ride to instruction. After the race Azzie stated that Strydom will never ride for him again....

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1 year 9 months ago #686231 by PeeKay
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We've heard this many a time before......it's just a trainer speaking his mind while actually being disappointed.

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1 year 9 months ago #686237 by Bob Brogan
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Most trainers would just kick his ass, not use him again and move on

The way this video was sent to me, Sporting Post and flighted on tellytrack just doesn't sit right with me.

They are also condoning blaming jockeys for every ride

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1 year 9 months ago #686239 by Frodo
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I am not connected to the Azzie stable in any way ... I can understand why they acted in this way .... there has been quite a few opinions doing the rounds insinuating that the stable is 'not trying' as far as hot favorites are concerned ..... so they probably felt that they had to produce some evidence to counter these rumours .... and I know they have been quick to blame jocks in the past ....but in this case it seems they were "damned if they did and damned if they didn't" ...

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1 year 9 months ago #686241 by pirates
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It was a very suspicious ride and hes been taken off the azzie runner tomorow...

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1 year 9 months ago #686248 by jawad
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in my opinion there was something wrong with the bit in the horses mouth all trainerr fault
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1 year 9 months ago #686305 by Warren Laird
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Muhtiman wrote: ....watched this race from the sales with a few trainers....it seemed like the bit had twisted and got locked.... or if a soft bit was damaged....hence the lack of control.....however the stipes report did not reflect if the equipment was checked post race.... and instead have opened an enquiry.....Mike was not on course.... as I saw him just before the race..... :unsure:


06Aug17 TUR G 11 MdnmG 95k 56 1600R A 63 L Hewitson 60 12-14 8-1 16-1 14 13.0 10 9.6 3 3.75 Collabro 60 99.73 23.5 1 -1.0 .06286 40 0/0........Bit/mouth-hung out
Those were the comments in the Comp Form on its last run -

To me my first reaction watching the race was that the bit had gone again and the horse was uncontrollable.

Very sad we dont see a comment from the Jockey or James Maree as to what is the other side of the story.
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1 year 9 months ago #686306 by mr hawaii
mr hawaii replied the topic: Azzie / Semela - I find this a bit strange

Warren Laird wrote:

Muhtiman wrote: ....watched this race from the sales with a few trainers....it seemed like the bit had twisted and got locked.... or if a soft bit was damaged....hence the lack of control.....however the stipes report did not reflect if the equipment was checked post race.... and instead have opened an enquiry.....Mike was not on course.... as I saw him just before the race..... :unsure:


06Aug17 TUR G 11 MdnmG 95k 56 1600R A 63 L Hewitson 60 12-14 8-1 16-1 14 13.0 10 9.6 3 3.75 Collabro 60 99.73 23.5 1 -1.0 .06286 40 0/0........Bit/mouth-hung out
Those were the comments in the Comp Form on its last run -

To me my first reaction watching the race was that the bit had gone again and the horse was uncontrollable.

Very sad we dont see a comment from the Jockey or James Maree as to what is the other side of the story.



last 2 runs he featured in stipes report
At approximately the 1000m TAPENZEE (*L Hewitson) which commenced to over race, clipped the heels of MANITOBA (G Lerena), thereafter TAPENZEE shifted both ways away from the crop from the 200m.

Apprentice L Hewitson reported that TAPENZEE pulled the bit through its mouth. As a consequence of this TAPENZEE hung out badly and proved difficult to assist.

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1 year 9 months ago #686311 by Warren Laird
Warren Laird replied the topic: Azzie / Semela - I find this a bit strange
Sounds like Déjà vu with the Azzie Comments - I am sure we all remember this Grooms race :-

2017/04/17 Turfontein

7 SOLAR QUEST Goodman Dadamasi Azzie 3 f 2 1 -2.50 9/2 22/10
5 YES DEAR Sabelo Siphika 4 f 3 2 2.50
4 LITTLE TOKOYO Phelisile Mongqawa 4 f 5 3 3.75
6 AYESSAYPEE Tshepiso Matsoele 6 m 4 4 20.75
2 JUST A JET Francis Semela Azzie 4 f 1 5 99 9/20 16/10
3 SAINTE MAXIME Siyabonga B Mthembu 3 f 6 6 99

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1 year 9 months ago - 1 year 9 months ago #686314 by mr hawaii
mr hawaii replied the topic: Azzie / Semela - I find this a bit strange
Just watched a good few replays of this horse and he is mad - He gave Hewitson a torrid time in his 2 starts prior to this one - If you watch his run to Edisson Lyle almost comes down at about the 1200m.. the horse turns his head almost 90 degrees for no reason and Lyle is lucky to stay on - In the straight he veers sharply im the final 200m almost contacting the horse on his inside They have used blinkers and pacifiers to try to get him to run straight - I wonder how much Pierre Strydom would want to be paid to ride this horse!

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1 year 9 months ago #686345 by naresh
naresh replied the topic: Azzie / Semela - I find this a bit strange
Semela deserves an unreserved apology from the Azzie's.

Also to the racing websites that published the story and video of Azzie's version without the stipes report or their own investigation surrounding the issue as maliciously damaged Semela's reputation. They need to retract their story and apologize to him as well. Also they should have asked Semela for his explanation of what happened. Couple months back the then editor of Huffington Post South Africa had to resign after she published a blog by what was presumed written by a feminist but it was a white male.
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1 year 9 months ago #686357 by Muhtiman
Muhtiman replied the topic: Azzie / Semela - I find this a bit strange
....horse may have a "soft" mouth which would require a softer rubber bit or a French link snaffle.....may have already been tried as Mike is normally on top of these types of problems.....in this last race the horse seems to want to spit the bit as the work rider has given to much reign and not seated the bit at the back of the mouth..... :unsure:

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1 year 8 months ago #687767 by Bob Brogan
Bob Brogan replied the topic: Azzie / Semela - I find this a bit strange
I see he got shagged today

90 day ban

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1 year 8 months ago #687780 by Warren Laird
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Very Strange and harsh

The National Horseracing Authority confirms that at an inquiry held at the Vaal Racecourse on Tuesday 29 August 2017, Mr Francis Semela (assisted by Mr James Maree), was charged with a contravention of Rule 62.2.1, in that he failed to ensure that he took all reasonable and permissible measures to ensure that TAPENZEE was given a full opportunity to win, or to obtain the best possible placing in Race 1 run at the Vaal Racecourse on 17 August 2017.


The particulars being:

a) At the 1200m Mr Semela encouraged TAPENZEE around the turn, against the instructions of Trainer A Azzie;
b) At the 1000m Mr Semela placed TAPENZEE at the rear of the field after hanging out around the turn and by doing so, lost considerable ground to the field;
c) Between the 800m and the 400m Mr Semela made no attempt to make up ground on the field when TAPENZEE showed no signs of being difficult to assist;
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d) between the 400m and 200m Mr Semela, after encouraging TAPENZEE to make up ground, took a tighter hold of the reins to restrict this gelding from running on.
Mr Semela pleaded guilty to the charge and was found guilty of the charge.

The Inquiry Board imposed a penalty of a suspension from riding in races for a period of 90 days.

Mr Semela has the right of appeal against the penalty imposed.

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