Wonder what the Tote's explanation will be?

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5 months 3 weeks ago #779409 by durbs
Australia Wagga on Tuesday 14/01/2020
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Double DividendsRace 7 Paying
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
1 999 999 999 999 999 999 999 999
2 999 999 999 999 999 999 999 999
3 999 999 999 999 999 999 999 999
4 999 999 131 942 999 131 856 999
5 999 999 999 999 999 999 999 999
6 311 423 430 386 393 0.8 253 700
7 240 378 314 197 403 22.8 175 716
8 999 999 999 999 999 705 999 999

This is Wagga race 7 double dividends after the race is closed.
As you can see the double 6 and 6 is paying 80 cents.
The 6 in race 7 was 2nd favourite at 12-10 while the favorite no.7 was 8-10.
In the 2nd leg the 6 opened 2-10 and was backed into 1-20.
So the favourite and favourite double (8-10 and 2-10) is paying R22-80 and the 2nd fav and fav double is paying 80 cents.
The double pool according to the tote was R17994.
The tote take out is 20 or 25% so in other words nearly all the R17994 was on the 6 and 6 double.
Well the fav 7 won the 1st and the fav 6 won the 2nd leg and somehow it paid R22-80.
We are co-mingled into Ubet tote in Australia and I looked up the payouts on Ubet and that very same double only paid 2-60.

This seems very strange to me,have asked for an explanation and still waiting on their reply.

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5 months 3 weeks ago #779412 by Thor
Bookmakers who offer the open bet should see who played this double with them and ban those people, clearly tote manipulation here by flooding one outcome and leaving the rest to pay outlandish amounts.

Another matter here is who knew this particular race wasn't going to be commingled? There should be clear trails to follow here and an investigation by any competent individual with access to the data should be able to come up with the right conclusions.

Worrying to note that these things need to be pointed out to them by punters.
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5 months 3 weeks ago #779414 by durbs

Thor wrote: Bookmakers who offer the open bet should see who played this double with them and ban those people, clearly tote manipulation here by flooding one outcome and leaving the rest to pay outlandish amounts.

Another matter here is who knew this particular race wasn't going to be commingled? There should be clear trails to follow here and an investigation by any competent individual with access to the data should be able to come up with the right conclusions.

Worrying to note that these things need to be pointed out to them by punters.


Pool TotalsRace 7 Paying
Pool Total
Win 54327
Place 21076
Swinger 3240
Exacta 7519
Pool Total
Trifecta 2794
Quartet 6370
Double 17994

The double pool was R17994.An amount like that would surely be co-mingled.
But It obviously wasn't co-mingled looking at the two different payouts.
Why are they showing that double pool then?

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5 months 3 weeks ago #779415 by naresh
The double pool was R1171.

The pool was manipulated ;)

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5 months 3 weeks ago #779417 by durbs
Surely could only be manipulated by the people who actually work at the tote as they the only ones who could not co-mingle a certain race.
Let me guess their excuse,we had connectivity problems and couldn't access the host's pool.

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5 months 3 weeks ago #779418 by durbs

naresh wrote: The double pool was R1171.

The pool was manipulated ;)


Naresh did you get that double pool from Tabonline?
Tabgold are still showing R17994.
I think I might know why Tabgold are showing that pool.
Bookies will not payout more than the pool total,so they might think that certain bookies get their pool totals from Tabgold and not Tabonline.

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5 months 3 weeks ago #779420 by naresh
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5 months 3 weeks ago #779422 by durbs
So the double is legit then.
But still smacks of manipulation,probably the Ozzies.

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5 months 3 weeks ago #779427 by Thor
Quite strange that this error on the Pool amount happens in the same race as this dividend being declared?

I think that the manipulation here is local. From the size of the double pool the bet is clearly not popular in Aus. All it takes is a local R1000 placed here on the decoy combination, as was done here. Have someone input the wrong higher pool on our local site as an FYI for bookies to pay against. Then hit the winning doubles on the Open Bet and be paid to a Max of R17k, when in reality as seen the pool was only around R1000. Nobody has any reason to doubt the pool info on tab gold, and as far as I know, is the official record of the pools.

This manipulation has ZERO to do with Australia, and all to do with the false pool total, and open bets being played.

We need answers.

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5 months 3 weeks ago #779433 by durbs
Well I have got no answers from Tabgold.
Maybe Bob can get clarification from them about what happened here.
They are members on this site so probably have read this but don't seem to answer any questions put to them.

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5 months 3 weeks ago #779435 by Bob Brogan
I asked for a reply, hopefully by tomorrow

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5 months 3 weeks ago #779454 by Bob Brogan
Hi Bob

Just to give some clarity with regards to this thread:

The payout of R22.80 is correct, as per the commingled payout.
This double was commingled into the TABCorp pools, as originally disseminated.
The double pool contribution from SA was a total of R 138 (therefore not much of an influence as the contribution to the pool from SA was less than 1%)

We hope that this gives all some clarity on this subject.

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5 months 3 weeks ago #779487 by durbs
Thanks for getting a reply Bob but it still doesn't give me any clarity.
When I checked the will pays and went to see the double pool it was only R500 odd and and a few minutes later,probably after the all clear for the first leg,it went up to R17 000.
I remember this as when I wrote to them I told them the pool double was R500.
And tabtouch,the tote we co-mingle in,had a double pool of 2249.Exchange rate is 10 to 1 so it should be around R22 000 not R17 000.
And with a double dividend sitting at 80 cents that means nearly all that pool was on one combination after the tote take out of 20 or 25 percent.
I honestly still think something devious went on.
I personally have got no reply from Tabgold.

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5 months 3 weeks ago #779494 by mikesack
Well done to whomsoever who caught the Double a thousand times on the Open Bet with the Bookies.
Xmas came early, with a fantastic windfall of R 22,800--
Enjoy!

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5 months 3 weeks ago #779495 by Bob Brogan
Our end of the pool was only R138, so maybe contact Tabcorp?

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5 months 3 weeks ago #779507 by durbs

Bob Brogan wrote: Our end of the pool was only R138, so maybe contact Tabcorp?


That's exactly what I'm not so sure off.
R38 of that was mine as I took the 6 and 7 with the favorite double.
So in other words it's me and 3 or 4 others betting on harness racing?
If 20 or R30 per race is all tab would be getting from showing harness do you think it would be even viable for them to offer it?

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5 months 3 weeks ago #779599 by durbs
How's this today for the Kranji jackpot payout.....
Jackpot 6-9
1st : 5
2nd : 7
3rd : 4
4th : 4
Net Pool = R 39621.54
Tickets = 178.15
Dividend = R 103.50

Does the pool divided by the tickets equal 103?
No....the dividend should be R222.
Now do you see why I am reluctant to believe some things the tote tell us.

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5 months 3 weeks ago #779603 by durbs
And do you notice that in the jackpot quickmixes and the blitz most times there is a leg or two missing in the will pays.
Eg.it will give us the first leg and then the will pays after the third leg.
How are we supposed to believe they are doing things right if the don't give us the ticket breakdown after each leg.
Surely their computers are capable of doing that.

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5 months 3 weeks ago #779611 by durbs
Incorrect pool the reason given.

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5 months 3 weeks ago #779612 by Thor

durbs wrote: And do you notice that in the jackpot quickmixes and the blitz most times there is a leg or two missing in the will pays.
Eg.it will give us the first leg and then the will pays after the third leg.
How are we supposed to believe they are doing things right if the don't give us the ticket breakdown after each leg.
Surely their computers are capable of doing that.


This could be one of two things. Incompetence or leaving the door open for manipulation. They are quick to offer a hundred Quickmix jackpots but seemingly can't even train their staff to update the tickets as each leg is run.

We have Vee and the other fellow quick to tell us of how quick the jackpot will be run but they fail to tell us it is also run too quick for their staff to do a simple thing like updating ticket and will pay info?

But again, there is no incentive at the tote to get this part right, all that matters to them is that the bets are on and takeout is banked.
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