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5 months 2 weeks ago #770544 by Muhtiman
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Frodo wrote:

Tony Mincione wrote: There is no credibility here.

You have to wade through gossip and hear-say just to try and figure out who the players are and what their agenda is, and for all that nothing of what they say leads you to really feel who they represent.

There is power at play, but who knows on behalf of whom and to accomplish what.

What we do know for sure is that when money is flowing, then this shit doesn't happen, so somehow this is about the money, and who gets to allocate it, and to whom. Someone please say "It ain't so"?

If Mike de Kock says it's a failure of leadership, I think he's partly right. The other part is that leadership cannot succeed if it has no plan, or direction, or whatever the latest flavour of motivation is called.

I like metaphors, so the big flock of sheep (just play along) has no idea which big sheep (leader) to follow because we can smell carnivore (wolf in sheep's clothing) all over these mothers (?).

Most of the time we stare at these mothers (?) wondering, what fucking piece of racing are YOU trying to get signed over into your name?

We used to have "stewardship" rather than "leadership" in racing, or directorship for that matter. And to think I thought THAT was a bad idea. We also thought running some like a "business" made it a business. Most parts of racing is NOT a business. And you don't want it to be a business because then you will get to having to deliver dividends.

"Stewardship means to hold something in trust for another. ... Stewardship is described by Peter Block as the willingness to be accountable for the well being of the larger organization by operating in service, rather than in control, of those around us.


So what chance does an 'outsider' (any small owner) have of making sense of this soap opera; seems there is more in-fighting in SA racing than in the ANC .... :dry:


...Ja.... with no one wanting to work with any one....we may as well kiss it all goodbye....:S

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5 months 2 weeks ago #770545 by Over the Air
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ICE MACHINE wrote: Lol ok - so because Jono Snaith wasn't there in official capacity, nobody from KR is attributed with speaking ?
You are too much.

We'll take your ignorance on the extensive stakes discussion as confirmation that you're grasping at straws. It was so detailed that you didn't need to take minutes - you just had to be there to hear it.

Amazing how you continually attack the credibility of fellow posters and other stakeholders in this industry on an almost continuous basis .... yet here you are telling little porkies to advance whatever cause you are driving.

Sad


Please document what went down at the meeting and I will tear you apart for the gaps that will invariably be missing.

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5 months 2 weeks ago #770546 by oscar
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1. Overview of the RA's involvement in the WC
2. Structure
3. Demerger Agreement
4. RA role in demerger agreement
5. RA final contribution to the WC
6. Stakes
7. RA current state of affairs in the WC
8. RA members and patrons raceday experience in the WC
9. General

Ok so if that was a handed out agenda please could anyone who was there answer the following without getting emotional or picking sides or becoming personal:

1.What is the involvement in WC racing by the RA?
2. What is the Structure to whatever they were referring ?
3. What does the "de-merger" agreement mean, is there an agreement or is an agreement being drawn up to clarify what"de-merger" as related to horse racing is?
4. Once point 3 is answered, what is the role of the RA (and which RA ) in the de-merger agreement?
5. What is the contribution of the RA to WC horse racing?
6. Stakes, I see from above stakes are being reduced, so that section of the agenda should have taken two seconds, literally.
7. RA current state of affairs in WC, what is the current state of affairs in the WC RA?
8. RA members and patrons raceday experience in WC, what does "experience" relate to and what is the "experience" referred to outcomes ?
9. What was discussed under "General"?

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5 months 2 weeks ago #770547 by ICE MACHINE
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If you wanted someone to take down notes on what happened last night in your absence, you should have found yourself a willing PA.

We've all established now that you weren't there and have syphoned fumes from a couple of phone calls, Whatsapp Groups, Facebook posts - who knows who you leeched off - and tried to pass it off as you actually being in attendance.

It kind of reminds us of the way you recently proclaimed that a ' source ' had informed you that the Betfair application some years ago had been shut down before even leaving the starting gates and when clear evidence was presented to the contrary, you closed book and scuttled off on your next little diversion.

The only reason why you have been allowed to spew forth for so long is because you have carefully chosen how to portray incorrect information as fact in the hope that nobody with actual insight challenges you.

You remind me so much of somebody I know who continually strives to create chaos through untruths. I can't think of his name right now - he has orange hair and small hands - but I'm sure it will come to me.

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5 months 2 weeks ago - 5 months 2 weeks ago #770549 by ICE MACHINE
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oscar wrote: 1. Overview of the RA's involvement in the WC
2. Structure
3. Demerger Agreement
4. RA role in demerger agreement
5. RA final contribution to the WC
6. Stakes
7. RA current state of affairs in the WC
8. RA members and patrons raceday experience in the WC
9. General

Ok so if that was a handed out agenda please could anyone who was there answer the following without getting emotional or picking sides or becoming personal:

1.What is the involvement in WC racing by the RA?
2. What is the Structure to whatever they were referring ?
3. What does the "de-merger" agreement mean, is there an agreement or is an agreement being drawn up to clarify what"de-merger" as related to horse racing is?
4. Once point 3 is answered, what is the role of the RA (and which RA ) in the de-merger agreement?
5. What is the contribution of the RA to WC horse racing?
6. Stakes, I see from above stakes are being reduced, so that section of the agenda should have taken two seconds, literally.
7. RA current state of affairs in WC, what is the current state of affairs in the WC RA?
8. RA members and patrons raceday experience in WC, what does "experience" relate to and what is the "experience" referred to outcomes ?
9. What was discussed under "General"?


Oscar - the stakes issue wasn't as we all expected. Basically - Larry said at the outset of the meeting that stakes reductions and rumours of course closures were not up for discussion.
In a very brief nutshell ( OTA can elaborate as he'll probably confirm that he was actually sitting at Larry's table ) -- the discussion revolved around the national stakes pot. Of the 100% of national stakes, 26% of it is paid by WC. After the demerger, an agreement was put in place that after 3 years, if KR was not making a profit, the RA would give KR whatever shortfall they had accumulated in operational losses to ensure that the stakes budget was fully met.

So in 2017, when KR showed a loss of R 8 million, the RA gave them that R 8 million towards ensuring stakes were unaffected and in 2018, the figure was around R 17 million.

The argument Larry made was that if Kenilworth Racing was receiving that money out of the stakes pot, the natural progression is that the stakes in other centres needed to be reduced proportionately.

Like I said - that's the nutshell of it.
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5 months 1 week ago #770570 by Muhtiman
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....rome burning and in the dwang .....but money spent on travel and hotels to have meetings with no agenda.....no wonder......just fiddle it all away....:(

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5 months 1 week ago #770579 by oscar
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Thank you Ice Machine much appreciated. So like any normal business all the RA want is that the correct proportion of stakes is allocated to the areas as per their contribution to the stakes pot.

With that I have NO problem whatsoever. All industries should run on that kind of allocation of resources. Very good, no loans should be made and no areas should be financed over and above their contribution unless there is a possibility or trend showing that a skewed resource allocation will contribute towards a growth in that area.

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5 months 1 week ago #770581 by Muhtiman
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oscar wrote: Thank you Ice Machine much appreciated. So like any normal business all the RA want is that the correct proportion of stakes is allocated to the areas as per their contribution to the stakes pot.

With that I have NO problem whatsoever. All industries should run on that kind of allocation of resources. Very good, no loans should be made and no areas should be financed over and above their contribution unless there is a possibility or trend showing that a skewed resource allocation will contribute towards a growth in that area.


....maybe this was simply plan B.....they must got cold feet to get into the guts of the real matters when they saw who was or was not there...but to call a meeting to discuss the future of racing and ask for input .....and then get wishy washy about stakes distribution is simply beating about the bush ..... FFS go with a real agenda and a plan man......get into the nitty gritty before it gets really shitty .. as racing is fast running out of time and money ....a plane trip and over night stay ....just to test the water is a total waste of time....no wonder MDK called it a clown show...time for the so called industry leaders to really earn and not burn the cash......:huh:

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5 months 1 week ago - 5 months 1 week ago #770610 by Urbanite
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So this thread has degenerated to whether Over the Air was present or not.
i, for one enjoy the many scandals, truths and predictions that Over the Air has revealed here on this site over the years, and look forward to him further embarrassing and exposing the clowns and their cohorts who have all but destroyed racing.
Deflection is the oyster of all boxes !
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2 months 2 weeks ago #777313 by Bob Brogan
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I see there’s another meeting on Monday

Will have someone in the room again

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2 months 2 weeks ago #777334 by Muhtiman
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[quote="Over the Air" It is common knowledge that Bloomberg cannot stand Larry - will the Chairman of Kenilworth Racing attend this feedback session?[/quote]

.....see that Bloomberg is calling for this meeting......will Larry be there too.....:huh:

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2 months 2 weeks ago #777341 by Bob Brogan
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Ja this is Ringer`s version

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2 months 2 weeks ago #777386 by Muhtiman
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.....so is the venue still neutral and ready for the RA AGM ......:lol:

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2 months 1 week ago #777449 by Dave Scott
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As normal, an excellent article giving feedback from the meeting is on Sporting Post......


www.sportingpost.co.za/2019/12/kenilworth-racing-the-future/

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3 weeks 5 days ago - 3 weeks 5 days ago #780185 by ICE MACHINE
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Bob Brogan wrote: MDK called it a " Clown Show" and says it`s game over if Kenilworth don`t appoint a CEO shortly..


This little tirade has not aged well ....... definitely a case of MDK backing the wrong horse in Wainstein.
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